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#1530477 - 05/01/09 06:30 PM A Trip to the House Justice Committee
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A brief note on the address of The Chief Justice Bud the Oracle of The Unincorporated Deuteronomical Society to the Justice Committee of the House of Commons sitting at Vancouver April 30 2009:

The Society was last to speak on the panel. The Registrar spoke extensively as to the Society's position; however, Bud summarized it as follows:

"Peace to this Hotel and to the House of Commons Justice and Human Rights Committee. In summary, our Society's judgement is that prohibition and your controlled drugs and substances act are failed policy that tresspass upon the peaceful possessory right that ought be enjoyed by everyone. Your society's policy does not respect this right; you violently oppress otherwise law abiding members of your own society. Your corporation's own policy is the organized crime, and in respect of drugs your government's own policy is what enables the black market to flourish. Absent your corporate policy regulated companies would supply drugs on a demand-oriented basis similar to any other product. Your policy has alienated and will continue to alienate men and women from your society and its government."
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#1530485 - 05/01/09 06:51 PM Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee [Re: Jack A. Roe]
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I was waiting to see if you posted your experience of the meeting

Kirk Tousaw and I gave our best as well
to the deaf dumb and blind group....."dropping the prohibition on murder wouldnt stop murder" crowd....wow...LOL

Yes it was nice to see you Jack...thanks for your efforts

I was suprised to find Nina Grewel helping me in the end

I will hold my breath as to their listening to what we said..but stand by all our efforts

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#1530512 - 05/01/09 08:55 PM Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee [Re: OhYesWeCannabis!]
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Check out my videos on it http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=budoracle&view=videos

Especially where I read the summary into it. I am of the opinion that we(The Deuteronomical Society) should give the government notice of our intention to keep "the Justice System for harming harmless people doing a harmless thing' as Robin so eloquently put it. 60 days or some realistic and finite time limit and then if the government doesn't change the Controlled Substance Act to reflect this sane solution, We will distribute Marijuana and Psychedelics legally and safely to the members of our society as we have promised to do, to the keep people from being harmed by the government for doing a harmless thing.

The medical experts rated Marijuana as safe as coffee. Coemartin didn't even know this. Are all our elected leaders so clueless? or do they have to be stupid to run for government? He also mentioned something about the States. His concern on a house of Commons Justice committee should be for Justice/safety/crime issues that face Canadian, not American foreign policy. W+ho are these friggen dummies and why are we lead by such idiots and gutless creatures. None of these peckers are concerned for the misery of Canadians that they cause through their lack of action. This seemed only a dog and pony show. None appeared to be listening by their lack of pertinent questions.

Thank you for your efforts as well.

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#1530622 - 05/02/09 08:37 AM Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee [Re: bud oracle]
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I have taken down the videos because they were not up to par. Soon I will have a more professional version, until then my blog post says it best.

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#1533613 - 05/11/09 11:26 AM Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee [Re: bud oracle]
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Lately, I have been wondering as a writer what mechanisms were behind our appearance at the Justice Committee. I have imagined it this way:

Scene 1
Deep in the bowls of the Ministry of Justice two senior employees were out for their usual morning coffee break and toke hidden from prying eyes and ears. As the early boomers hold and gag slightly, inhaling the Canadian grown Kush, the man turns to the woman and speaks in conspiratorial tones.

Earl:
"Don't you think these crazy coastal lads need to have their say before the Justice Committee?"

Dolores:
"Yeah, that tall one, Robin, is kind of cute in a legalistic way, Don't you think?"

Earl passing the joint and coughing slightly smiles and speaks.

"Did you see that wild Oracle dude, with his religious headgear? That would be the icing on the cake to put these two up on the Justice dog and pony show when it gets to Vancouver. What can you do about sneaking them on the agenda at the last minute, Delores? So nobody gets wind of it until its to late to cancel."

Delores chuckling slightly as she finishes the joint speaks in reflective bemusement.

"Earl, I'll see what I can do about it. Sure let's bushwhack these pompous asses. It's about time. This kind of reminds me of the way Cannabis Prohibition was squeezed on to the agenda in the first place, tacked on to the bill without prior knowledge and never debated before being passed."

Earl in full agreement, laughs and holds the door open for Delores as they happily go back to work setting their plot into action.

"This should shake up their morning session in the Arbutus room, especial that stodgy idiot, Joe Comartin. What century is he living in anyways? These guys will say what needs to be said to be said, Delores, I am sure. Do what you can. See you back here for lunch? what are you smoking today?"

Delores laughing.
"AK-47!"

Earl smiling
"How appropriate...."

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#1534003 - 05/12/09 10:40 AM Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee [Re: bud oracle]
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Nothing from the morning session yet, but here's the Evidence containing John Shavluk and Kirk Tousaw's statements:

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications...s=2#Int-2732879

One of my fav. quotes:

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Mr. Brent Rathgeber:
Hear me out. The prohibition against homicide has not managed to eradicate it--far from it. Cities like Vancouver, where I understand you live, and certainly cities such as Edmonton, where I live, have exponential growth in the homicide rate.

So where is that analogy breaking down? If prohibition ought to be abandoned because of its alleged failure in drug use, why is prohibition still a valid policy with respect to violence against individuals and homicide?"
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#1534023 - 05/12/09 11:24 AM Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee [Re: Jack A. Roe]
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"If prohibition ought to be abandoned because of its alleged failure in drug use, why is prohibition still a valid policy with respect to violence against individuals and homicide?"
Response: Because even murderers do not want to be murdered, just as thieves don't want to be stolen from, laws against murder and theft effectively exist even without governments because individuals will automatically enforce them, by defending themselves and their property or seeking revenge. The role of democratic government and institutional law enforcement is to protect the majority from the small minority who, for various reasons, have a desire to do harm to others. The growth, sale and use of marijuana is not done with a desire to harm others, nor does it result in any harm to any other than the user.
The fact that Mr.Rathgeber does not grasp this point intuitively, as most people do, the fact that he seems to define right and wrong entirely according to what is legal and illegal, indicates that he has no internal conscience or moral compass of his own, is essentially a psychopath, and should not be trusted with the care or teaching of children never mind political office.
Mr. Rathgeber also fails to indicate any popular support for legalized murder, while choosing to ignore popular support for legalized marijuana.
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#1534260 - 05/13/09 02:09 AM Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee [Re: Joybuzzard]
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Laugh all you want, but here we are, officially recognized as a society. And it has cost not a penny for lawyers nor did we need to raise thousands for our efforts. Something bigger than Robin and I wants this to happen. That's because this came about without decades of national publicity, millions of dollars raised in storefront activism. So go ahead AND LAUGH AT THE CRAZIES. we are doing ok.

You people think it's about religion. How sad.

It is only that you can't conceive playing chess at this level, or any level, that you are getting what we are doing mixed up with personal beliefs, faith and religion. What Jack has done in this has more to do with legal strategy than with his personal beliefs.

I'm no bible thumper but sometimes I hear truth/god when reading the bible, or any other book that stimulates me into hearing the voice of truth. In the bible it says that one can hear the voice of god coming from the mouth of an ass. That pretty well says to me that hearing god is the form, not reading, the voice only happens when I am reading something that touches me with the truth.

On our membership form we don't define god or say his words only come from the bible.

I,.........., do solemnly affirm
"It is written, that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of god"

That sits well with me, because although I don't cater to belief, I sometimes "hear" the truth when I search honestly for it.

All I can say is that my Gian consciousness is still a viable perspective along with every option/ understanding which presents itself.

I'm just curious so I ask the big questions constently when something stirs me. Seek and ye shall find the truth. For oneself.

The big problem is that we get our personal belief systems mixed up with the concept of law. The reason for choosing Deuteronomy to base our society on, is as I understand it, that this is the basis for all our laws in north America. We want to be close the oak tree of the law to show that we are not just hooligans, but in fundamental agreement with the law. We aren't in agreement with these corporate statutes though, which harm Canadians daily, much more so than the drugs which were not prohibited by God in the Bible. Tyranny was prohibited and so was homosexuality no matter how we feel about it today.

I have been pro gay rights since the early times because I see no reason to control or judge others (this is reserved for god in the bible and so is any punishment as god sees it, not me) and have written about how normal it seems to me to see same sex couples walking in freedom in this city.

Those are my personal views. Everyone else is entitled to theirs. All we want to do is to repeal the CDSA and to control and regulate drugs for the safety of everyone. the Unincorporated Deuteronomical Society is a legal instrument to bring about that end.

Surely you understand that this is a means to an end, not the end itself?

Everyone has at one time resorted to buying their pot off the streets even though you knew that you were supporting organized crime. Well, hold your religious beliefs privately, affirm that statement for membership in the unincorporated Deuteronomical society and join us to defeat the insanity. Joining our society marks no one with the label Drug user, or even Marijuana advocate and aligns us with the foundation of the law. Membership in our society cannot cannot be sneered at by those who claim to be of goodness and belief in the bible (mostly those who currently rail against marijuana users)

They were not playing on our field and now we have challenged the status quo with this new perspective. I assure you that we will have licensed regulated marijuana vendors plying their trade openly before the summer is out.

It does not cost a cent to join! We will be auctioning off the first legal marijuana sales licenses/sales permits soon. Members will be able to posses marijuana without a medical certificate and be able to grow for their own needs. To market retail or wholesale vendors will need to be licensed by the society. The potential for membership growth is in the millions in Canada alone. Many more than marijuana smokers may join. Guaranteed, our laws will govern and regulate the trade, unless the government of Canada repeals the act and takes control before our deadlines given through formal notice.

Think of how powerful it would be to be able to claim to have 6,000,000 members in Canada all standing behind the society's ultimatum. Not the waiting for a single judge to render a decision (their playing field) but to have 6 million people demanding a change and taking the matter into their hands (our playing field). Which of these political cowards could stand against something like that?

I'd take any odds that this would be successful before I pinned a single penny on the hope that a couple of legal beagles could wrangle it through our corrupt Kangaroo Court System. There the dice are loaded against you from long ago, as tradition shows. Idiocy reigns in these legal judgments which have given Canadians flourishing, well funded, organized crime, and general disrespect for the law causing rampant lawlessness in our society. When I talk to peopl I know that I can reach them. Those who were fortunate enough, including MPs, to hear Robin and I deliver this ultimatum were listening to us, evident to me, from the expressions on their faces

Personally I hope to bid for a license too, someday, and leave the role of Chief Justice to someone else.

All that needs to happen is for people to give up their personal bullshit and join and as sure as I started my threads here claiming that the pot laws have fallen they will (as they have for me personally)

Come on and join and if you don't like me or Robin vote us out of office and elect someone more to your liking, but for god's sake get off your antagonistic, argumentative asses and join something that has already come farther than anything you've seen happen in the courts.

Or be the self centered righteous pricks you are and get facked, because we are moving on from these decades of pseudo activism cloaked in commercial enterprise.

We, the Unincorporated Deuteronomical Society are a movement for social change, not for self enrichment and we are going to have an honest truthful, good good smelling dump right into the big fan moving the stinky air of Canadian politics.

The good shit has already started to hit the fan on April 30th, so you know we are not bullshitting anyways.

You bet I sound arrogant, because once launched on this soaring flight, there is no stopping me. Those elected geeks posed no intimidation to me, rather I see them as criminals destroying our society because they have no ethical foundation. They rely on fraud induce fear for their success. These people are the worst hypocrites to foist this crime on Canadians and model our nation after the lawless USA for trade, ostensibly. It is only because the are ethical cowards and corrupt, talentless goofs that the lies continue so that they can entrench their corruption for decades more.


Edited by bud oracle (05/13/09 03:37 AM)

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#1534311 - 05/13/09 07:35 AM Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee [Re: bud oracle]
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"Those elected geeks posed no intimidation to me, rather I see them as criminals destroying our society because they have no ethical foundation. They rely on fraud induce fear for their success. These people are the worst hypocrites to foist this crime on Canadians and model our nation after the lawless USA for trade, ostensibly. It is only because the are ethical cowards and corrupt, talentless goofs that the lies continue so that they can entrench their corruption for decades more."

You're totally right Bud. The people had a chance yesterday and proved that the general public cares more about $ than life, love and enlightenment. I truly believe we are at the tipping point, and now were fu**ed. Get ready for a rough ride and learn to grow vegetables and medicine. Wait, it's "unlawful" to grow
medicine.

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#1535228 - 05/15/09 10:46 AM Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee [Re: pablofunk]
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This trip turned out to be the Unincorporated Deuteronomical Society's Second Parliament in actuality. For the minutes and evidence follow the links.

Also check out the evidence for our First Parliament. At the very end of Deuteronomy you will find the Articles of our Society.

For all links and a membership form check out my blog Sunshine Soup.

This membership form must be affirmed before the Chief Justice, Bud the Oracle, who is much more personal than the prickly Registrar, although the trained legal types might find him more understandable than the Chief Justice (common in the Canadian Society too.) It seems to me that this membership drive should be a friendly contest between the Registrar and I, for now. My numbers started at 1000, so the dreaded 666 is not mine to give away. I am ambiguous about taking it for myself for divergent and devious reasons. Perhaps we may not activate that number for biblical reasons.

Members will be able to have input into our 3rd Parliament held to create the Marijuana Vendors Guild via an act. Members will also be able to bid for whichever licenses the guild offers up for public auction.

Join this true revolution recognized by the Government of Canada, early. Have a historic, low number as testament to your quick intelligent understanding and support of this hopefully effective activism.

Get on the bus Gus! Get yourself Free!

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