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#1065753 - 04/06/07 10:41 AM Undebunkable **** [Re: benjamin]
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#1065754 - 04/07/07 11:51 AM Rosie kicks ass [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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#1065755 - 04/11/07 07:47 AM Re: WTC debunking [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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Hi everyone,
...I have a confession to make: until now I had never questioned 9-11...and this thread is blowing my mind!

...anyways, I've still got a ways to go in this monster thread, so forgive me if I'm asking questions answered later on, but I just have to ask:
1) if elements of the US gov't were indeed involved, why would they have bothered with WTC-7? I mean, why go to the trouble of rigging a far less significant building with explosives, when the destruction of the two towers alone would have been sufficient to serve their political agenda?

2) how did WTC-7 catch fire in the first place? (debris from the planes?, electrical?) ...not significant, I know, ...just curious.

thanks,
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#1065756 - 04/11/07 11:07 AM Re: WTC debunking [Re: humblehermit]
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"1) if elements of the US gov't were indeed involved, why would they have bothered with WTC-7? I mean, why go to the trouble of rigging a far less significant building with explosives, when the destruction of the two towers alone would have been sufficient to serve their political agenda?"


"At the time of its destruction, it exclusively housed government agencies and financial institutions. It contained offices of the IRS, Secret Service, and SEC. ... One of the most interesting tenants was then-Mayor Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management, and its emergency command center on the 23rd floor. This floor received 15 million dollars worth of renovations, including independent and secure air and water supplies, and bullet and bomb resistant windows designed to withstand 200 MPH winds. 2 The 1993 bombing must have been part of the rationale for the command center, which overlooked the Twin Towers, a prime terrorist target.

How curious that on the day of the attack, Guiliani and his entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event. 3"

http://www.wtc7.net/background.html

The remainder of O'Donnell's blog entry on 9/11 consists of a listing of various records supposedly destroyed in the collapse of WTC7, apparently meant to imply the building was brought down so as to eliminate records of investigations of Enron and other companies. Citing various sources at the end of each paragraph, O'Donnell writes:

[WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions. [Online Journal]

The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed [by the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency’s major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. … "Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases." [New York Lawyer]

Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. [TheStreet]

Inside [WTC 7 was] the US Secret Service’s largest field office with more than 200 employees. … "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran. [TechTV]

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54770

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ENRON_MONEY_TO_TALIBAN.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html





"2) how did WTC-7 catch fire in the first place? (debris from the planes?, electrical?) ...not significant, I know, ...just curious."

Debris from the fallen twin towers is the official story ... but WTC7 wasn't even mentioned in the 911 comission!

1. One of the most damning pieces of physical evidence regarding the events of 9/11 (the collapse of WTC 7) wasn't even mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report. How could any report claiming to provide "the fullest possible account" of the events of 9/11 ignore the unexpected free-fall collapse of a 47 story office tower? Is it because, to this day, nobody can explain how it fell? Is it because it wasn't struck by any planes or burned with any jet fuel (the magic formula that supposedly brought down the twin towers?) Is it because pools of molten metal remained in its basement for weeks and partially evaporated steel beams were found in its wreckage? (It is physically impossible for burning office materials and diesel fuel to liquefy structural steel; let alone evaporate it into a gas.) How did "The Commission" deal with these smoking gun issues that clearly contradict the official account? Simple; they ignored them.

http://www.rense.com/general75/critical.htm

Check this page out for videos ... who are you going to believe - your government, or your lying eyes?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html
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#1065757 - 05/03/07 07:36 AM Re: WTC debunking [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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I got one for you i always found interesting...marshall law was declared in florida a couple hours before the attack...

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#1065758 - 05/03/07 10:37 AM Re: WTC debunking [Re: 19.5]
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Get into the habit of providing a source ... it's not that I don't believe you, it's just that incredible statements require credible sources to be taken seriously ... otherwise this forum just degenerates into useless opinion mishmash.
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#1065759 - 05/03/07 12:12 PM Re: WTC debunking [Re: humblehermit]
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"2) how did WTC-7 catch fire in the first place? (debris from the planes?, electrical?) ...not significant, I know, ...just curious."

There were diesel fuel tanks for the emergency power generators. The fuel was piped up to the generators . A large chunk of debris from a collapsing tower put a gaping hole down the center of one face. The fuel lines were cut , and the hot debris ignited a conflagration .

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#1065760 - 05/03/07 05:36 PM Re: WTC debunking [Re: benjamin]
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like David said...site a source.
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#1065761 - 05/03/07 06:00 PM Re:i feel like im competing instead of hanging... [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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cant you just have a simple short conversation?...your not going to do this everytime i post r ya? i read that marshall law tidbit somewhere like 4 years ago on God knows what webpage...geez man i swear its like your trying to run me off. its ten o clock, im winding down smoking a fatty with the wife....i dont have links in the waiting like you to slam down at a moments notice in order to bring the debate home...sigh...ill try to dig something up





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#1065762 - 05/03/07 06:26 PM Re:i feel like im competing instead of hanging... [Re: 19.5]
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im sure he wasnt trying to be rude or mean, he was just saying its a good idea.
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