Look,

The simple truth is that some led grow lights work but many don't live up to their boasted claims. I HAVE been had by sunshine systems because I bought the garbage they sell in good faith. There wasn't that much info available about led lighting out there at the time... in any case it won't happen again.

Cannabis culture is a good site to read (that's why I joined) but there are many other very informative sites that have dealt with the question of led grow lights.

www.greenpinelane.com is one of the best I have seen so far because they actually test the leds.

But hey jawohio, if you insist on spending your loot on bad quality leds like the 45 glowPanel, ufos and that sort of junk, then take a big puff to calm down, keep your foul language and insults for someone else and go ahead and waste your money since it's a free country after all.

Many hydroponic shops can confirm the same and that's why they refuse to carry those bad quality grow lights anymore... ask around.

But again, it's your money so burn it the way you want to!

A little aggressive there jawohio... did I strike a sensitive cord by sharing my experience on this forum?

Fellow growers, ask around before buying is all I am saying.

And by the way, I am not a fellow".

Jackass!

Peace.

Honesty Prevails

I do not get mad or frustrated at others for voicing their opinions because that is exactly what I am doing. McLovin has brought one issue to the table that does appear to be in question at this point and that is the amount of watts the sunshine units are emitting/using. However, is anyone testing the lumen's that are being produced? As I stated in a previous post, keep experimenting with the LED's and keep posting results to inform others of the benefits and disadvantages of using LED's.

In the end, LED grows produce quality smoke that is just as comparable to med's grown under HPS - given the right grower. All other aspects of growing must be mastered before even attempting to grow under LED's such as soil growing, spotting deficiencies, etc . I wonder what the first indoor growers were thinking when someone brought in a 1000 HPS street light to flower their plants?

The way I see it, why not waste the money on LED technology - I can afford to. If I had wasted my money on their products, I would tell you so...However, results are in my bong as we speak...mmmm, organically grown underneath intense LED's crystal packed Northern Lights #5...

I really didn't use foul language as i substituted various symbols and letters...however, maybe your not dull of shit...just full of stories...Peace and Pot

Here's the deal.
I was facing 100 degree temps in the cabinet, with exaust not being an issue, I needed something. Either cooling, or a different lamp.
I put the first panel in yesterday over the seedlings and closed everything up. 3 hours later, the box temp was at 78, and the lasses looked to be loving it.

The nick "honesty prevails" shows that you meant to come here with the intent of shedding what little light you have, on something you got burned on.
I'm more likely to believe that grower error contributed to your problems, than the lamp was a complete failure.
Rebel, I'm not saying I think you made an error, I just think true results can only be seen with an independent LED grow, and I've seen some promising threads as of late.

As to avoid hijacking the closing of this thread any further, I nominate we create an LED debate thread, or something to that effect.

that would be perfect. i am getting tired of all the haters. all you got to say is negative bullshit. Honesty, i can understand why you are pissed off with SunshineSystems. they still stock the same 2nd generation chinese LEDs. i am curious as to which of their models you tried out. the UFO 90w and GrowPanel Pro 300w will give you decent results. anything under the 1w diodes is really only useful for seedling/clone stages. you can grow and flower with them, but you will get a poor harvest weight. i guarantee that the quality will be exceptional. i wouldnt expect my 50w panel to replace any of my lights. its only for under the canopy supplemental lighting.

The LED's panels (4) replaced a 400 watt MH that is used for cloning and seedling as well as lighting the mother room. The flower room utilizes 1 UFO and 2 grow 45's.

I have not seen any results simply utilizing one panel; however, a grow cabinet to do just that is being built as I type this. I would like to see how the smaller 45 panel performs by itself. Another room will be used incorporating a 250 hps to actually see how the grow 45 performs. The strain; grow medium; nutrients and every other factor will be the same.

The grow will likely be underway with full steam within a few weeks as the grower needs a new ballast for the 250 HPS unit with viable result around August? September?

Peace and Pot

Adam, Honest prevail is giving you good advice, based on experience.

Of course you have your right to check it, its your money and your time, and own experience is the best teacher. Its difficult to know who to listen on the net, I know, and sometimes the only way to know something is trying it yourself.

But if you want a more deeper explanation of why those panels dont works as expected, apart of RD and HP's experience, Ill try to go on it:

Its all about the amount of light delivered. LEDs are very variable on it. And those LEDs used on sunshine panel are garbage. They emits less than half light per watt than any HID, and aditionally, they degrade fast. Simply, they arnt designed for that application, continous lighting for many hours a day.

With so little light, there is very little on what they may help. A 23W CFLs helps more than them

I think this has been great debate and perhaps a new thread would be better. I don't know.

What would be great is to have panels measured for output. Lumens and wavelength both. Clearly LEDs have the potential to change the way stealth grows are conducted. But until the crap products with hollow claims are exposed, the whole LED movement will be slowed.

What I have always felt was really exciting was the opportunity to insert LEDs with very specific wavelengths. HIDs can't do this. We get some improvement with Hortilux, but we can't say that it's dialed in with respect to optimal wavelengths while omitting useless wavelengths.

A lot more work needs to be done. I'm going to check out that GreenPine site

Fortier is doing some cool research with those LEDs. i wonder if he will be doing a grow with the LumiGrow. even one of those big ass 600w panels would be nice to see in action.

Is Fortier a person or a company?

heres the facts. diodes under 1w arent going to give you good results. you could blast out 1000w of cheap panels, but still get less than a 1000w HID. they should just scrap those crap panels. im still waiting on www.homegrownlights.com to put out their new 50w panel that uses the same diodes as the procyon. they seem to have their shit down when it comes to LED efficiency. i tested all my LEDs to see how many watts they were actually using. my 10w cree panel from homegrownlights is right on the money, using 11w. even the LumiGrow is a bullshit claim, only using 244w. instead of just 10w for the driver and fans, its pulling 16w. i mean, 6w isnt too much loss but still, the claim was 250w usable light and 260w draw. my 50w panel from HTG Supply is only pulling 42w, another bullshit claim.