"Even worse, abortion is giving up on life itself."

Of course babies are precious and should be cherished. Nobody doubts that. But should a woman be forced by the law to give birth if she has health issues, a dead baby, twins or triplets, or can't get to a hospital or must be accompanied but a male relative--who may be at war or dead or unwilling? Fundamentalist Muslims, like fundamentalist Christians would deny her that.

No wonder the late great Florynce Kennedy said: If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erica-jong/if-men-could-get-pregnant_b_82467.html?page=5

Here`s The Finds after the Battle of Hue, Vietnam.....
... Massacre at Hue

(Excerpt from the Viet Cong Strategy of Terror, Douglas Pike, p. 23-39)

The city of Hue is one of the saddest cities of our earth, not simply because of what happened there in February 1968, unthinkable as that was. It is a silent rebuke to all of us, inheritors of 40 centuries of civilization, who in our century have allowed collectivist politics-abstractions all-to corrupt us into the worst of the modern sins, indifference to inhumanity.

What happened in Hue should give pause to every remaining civilized person on this planet. It should be inscribed, so as not to be forgotten, along with the record of other terrible visitations of man's inhumanity to man which stud the history of the human race.

Hue is another demonstration of what man can bring himself to do when he fixes no limits on political action and pursues incautiously the dream of social perfectibility.

What happened in Hue, physically, can be described with a few quick statistics. A Communist force which eventually reached 12,000 invaded the city the night of the new moon marking the new lunar year, January 30, 1968. It stayed for 26 days and then was driven out by military action.

In the wake of this Tet offensive, 5,800 Hue civilians were dead or missing. It is now known that most of them are dead. The bodies of most have since been found in single and mass graves throughout Thua Thien Province which surrounds this cultural capital of Vietnam.

Such are the skeletal facts, the important statistics. Such is what the incurious word knows any thing at all about Hue, for this is what was written, modestly by the word's press. Apparently it made no impact on the world's mind or conscience. For there was no agonized outcry. No demonstration at North Vietnamese embassies around the world.

In a tone beyond bitterness, the people there will tell you that the world does not know what happened in Hue or, if it does, does not care
http://www.kysales.com/massacre_at_hue.htm

Hue mass grave remains.

Abortion is not your choice it is their choice.

That's an entirely different issue ben..what's that got to do with the book?




I see, so anything that's alien to you is wrong...I pretty much assumed that already but thanks for confirming. Great attitude.




A PC and digital camera are man's inventions...of course they are not sustainable...this old and worn world though...that's another thing entirely..it is self healing, alive...YOU don't need to sustain it...you just have to let it sustain itself.

I'm sorry, please show me where a global master is mention anywhere. Or is that just another one of your delusional conspiracy theories brought on by a bought of paranoia?

Think of a society as a body; a global society has a head and it has members. The head directs the members; that is the point to a global society, so that its members may be somehow directed.

"conspiracy" is another word for "society", really, in the sense that the members of a society act with unified purpose as do conspirators.

Oh, really? How many husbands threaten divorce if the pregnancy is not terminated? How many youngsters are compelled by their older boyfriends to abort, or lose them? How mant parents threaten to cut their daughters out of their inheritance unless they get scraped?

Those are only a minute number of scenarios which come into play; suggesting there is no coercion forcing women to make someone else`s choice is out of touch with reality. Honestly and truthfully, I declare that a woman`s right to choose often turns out to be another`s conveniant disposal.

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Of course babies are precious and should be cherished. Nobody doubts that.

Unfortunately, attitudes toward children can be shaped by the destruction of the unborn. If I was conceived a piece of lifeless tissue, there is no reason to expect I will ever become more than lifeless tissue. How much less significant the humans around me would become to everyone who takes life and death into their own hands? It is not just babies whose special status is cheapened, but the entire core of the family which is weakened by abortions which have now become the easy way out of life`s difficulties. The graph which clearly shows that abortion is the number one cause of tissue death in our African American population allows genocide to be practiced. Because black babies are not alive in their mothers` wombs, they can be slaughtered wholesale without criminal charges being brought against those guilty of systematic ethnic cleansing.

We have been down the road of Constitutional interpretations pronouncing human beings as non human, denied citizenship and protection under US law. Read up on the Dred Scott Decision and other such oppressive laws. Abortion is clearly a tool for persecution of minorities, devaluation of human life, destruction of evidence of sex crimes and increasing numbers of convenience abortions which too often are multiple times in one woman. We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life— the unborn—without diminishing the value of all human life. I can guarantee you that if Americans begin treating each other like I have treated fish and fur, it will get ugly.

Thanks for proving what we all already knew ... that you could not go beyond the first sentence and respond to the logic found in the reasoned argument part of the post.


Your strategy of screaming "mangled babies" until you are blue in the face in order to drown out the mention of a woman controlling her own body will serve you well, but will not survive the sophistication of future generations. Eventually the world will come to recognize that the value of future lives is diminished into nothing when the value of female lives-already in progress can be ignored so easily.

Yes, right, in future the communist propaganda will be so effective that no one will even have the capacity to entertain the notion of the unborn having rights. Rights are conferred at birth by registration with the artificial person that is government---BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA, etc.

And that is, in my view, depraved and indifferent to human life and every utopic poetry, etc. etc.

Your argument, David, is not sophisticated. It is a child's argument:

"It's mine and I can do whatever I want with it!"

When a child breaks her toys, it is proper for an adult to explain to the child the doctrine of "waste", that is, when someone has property, she ought not waste it. Breaking a perfectly good toy for no reason other than "I don't want it!!" is a ridiculous waste; donate the toy to charity if you don't want it.

But she'd have to hold on to it for 8 months?

"I have this stuff I don't want, but I'd need to hold it for a few months befre I could gve it away to smeone in need. I'm capable of doing that, but, Gosh, I just don't want to. I'd rather burn it and use the space it takes up for a pony!"