"David, I am not new here, I've told you plenty of times I don't need sources to back up my words, they are the expression of my own opinion,"

Right. I agree.

But these are forums. You're allowed to share your opinions. I'm allowed to ask you to back them up. You're allowed to decline. I'm allowed to characterize your opinions as "baseless" as a result. It's a forum ... you should expect it.








"I've been hanging out here for 6 years now and like to drop screenames in favor of new ones (I never remain active with old screenames when I register new ones, so this is not a case of multiple or split personality), we are both well educated intelligent adults we both read the news not just daily but constantly, we are both adept at searching the net for information etc... Unlike you however I do not rely on others to "prove" my points, I simply express intelligent informed rational opinion,"

Rational? If I say "explain how you can call a request to lift the siege of Gaza irrational" and you decline to explain, doesn't that make your opinion "irrational" by definition?:

1. not based on logical reasoning
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/irrational

If your opinion has reasoning, where is it? If you can't provide reasoning, then it's irrational.










".... assuming that those who share these forums are mature enough and intelligent enough to consider the opinions of others and have confidence in their own. You seem to seek or thrive on the approval of others,"

I couldn't care less if you and I are the only ones having this conversation. I just want to create a place where lies are constantly challenged - even if I'm the only one challenging them.










"... you are a selfstyled crusader as you put it"

Where have I called myself a "crusader"? - please quote me.







"... working on a paradigm shift in human understanding, I have applauded you your effort and offered you respect time and again, yet you invariable stoop to the childish level of hurrling insults and personal attacks. Why can't you be civil?"

It's not a personal attack to ask someone to explain why a request to lift the siege of Gaza is "irrational".

Where have I attacked you personally?

I am noone's lap dog, nor do I consider my country, the UK or Israel to be "evil empires" ---that is a personal assault


You know damn well that whatever the offer hamas made they would never have abided by it, they are the evil ones who hide in the midst of innocents so they can cry foul when despite all efforts to avoid it those innocents die in the crossfire. The only rational response to the kind of terror campaign Hamas and other so called liberation organizations perpetuate is to destroy them to the last man and bury their memory with their bodies.



do you deny saying that? do I realy have to dig through your 17000 posts to dig that out or can you recognize your own sentiment? Do you hate the canadian soldiers who serve to protect your right to express that hate? Do you hate the british soldiers who repelled our invasion of your country two hundred years ago. You so often like to rub the american nose in the dirt of that war and your caracterization of it as being Canadians whooping our ass is wholy inaccurate, that war ended in a draw between British North America and the United States of America, Canada didn't even exist at the time.
You hate me? I wore the uniform, even though I don't recognize any true legitimacy of any government. I was capable of putting asside my intellectual and emotional objection to my impisonment in the political system at a time when it appeared that my country would likely need to expend the lives and blood of its citizenry. That was a personal understanding that the mind might understand one thing, where the body faces much more immediate and solid concerns.
And do you hate the long line of my anscestors and likely your own, who've fought for the defense of those who could not or would not fight?

Why are you even capable of such and emotion. Hate is a vile thing that draws you to depths of depravity and poisens your soul. I don't allow myself to feel such emotions or express them.


Yes I am perfectly capable of reason, I've shown that to you time and again. Regardless of whether you're equally adept reason has come to a different conclusion than mine.


You are a self styled crusader, I missed a coma or period you have used the words "paradigm shiftwork" and again I am not going to wade through 1700 verbose posting, filled mostly with cut and paste "sources", mainly wikipedia, often repeated adnausium.

I've met your kind time and again, and for the most part I am content to allow their naivity and illogical reliance of brain over braun. At least you are reasonable, others hear aren't.


You chose your possitions based soley on what you are expected to believe and protest as a extreme liberal fanatic. you then comb the world of media looking for support from others of like mind. My aunt used to do that two, clipping every op-ed peice that reasoned her opionions for her so she could pull out her stack of loose leaf binders when it came time to debate her teenage nephew. Yet you deride Mr. hand and Benjamin and 19.5 for doing the same only with sources that disagree with yours.
When you grow up you'll realize that nothing in this world is black or white. You have the luxery of living in a world were debate is just a game to pass the time as you keep yourself stoned. I have not had the luxery, since my childhood growing up on military bases in foreign countries surrounded by people who want me dead I have know the dangers of this world are real. You have obviously been shielded from those dangers by your Queen and her empire.

Seems to me your "knowledge" is suspect because it is based on an Abnormal upbringing (military brat) which skews your POV of others. Of course if you live on certain military bases you are surrounded with those who hate you and want you dead. In many of those cases the base was put in the country as result of aggression on the side of the US military. Invading oppressors are usually hated and wished dead. Don't forget the British during the Revolutionary War. Our constitution actuall bars the USA from doing most of what we do "In the UN". Yet we do it and continue to be what Eisenhour warned us about at the end of WWII> A military Industrial complex. As one of the world's largest arms dealers, many of our corporations depend on the violent and oppressive use of force by many groups to support their livestyles and companies. The people in that area Cannot live in peace, as long as outsiders interfere in the successful conclusion of this campaign, ie, killing the women and children to continue an area filled with hatred and chaos, which strangely enough requires Armed forces. I believe the 'right thing" to do is to either stay the fuck out of it, or "ARM EVERYONE EQUALLY" , stand back , and watch.

The USA was better served when it was Isolationist. IMO. America Doesn't Rule for some of us, some citizens are pretty tired of being the Biggest bully on the block. I think the USA has a pretty good record of being on the road to hegemony. If you dont know what that word means A.R>,feel free to look it up. I prefer COMMERCE to oppression. I prefer a world where everyone is too busy making products and selling them to each other to have time to murder citizens of other countries for such silly reasons as religious belief.

America would Rule if it would follow its own RULES , regulations, and LAWS. Until that day, Americans RUE.

BTW, I am not a Liberal, except in the sense of the phrase "Jeffersonian Liberal, or Classic Liberal" I am in no way a "social Liberal", I am probably one of the most conservative people you'll ever meet. By conservative I mean: Follow the constitution in any and all cases. Period. End of Story. I know you war mongers don't like rules.

You have got to be kidding me!!!!!

Your grandfathers died on the battlefield to destroy that scourge of humanity.

I spent the better part of 2 summers drilling core samples at Belzec death camp. I couldn't get the drill through alot of areas because of compressed human remains.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/modern/archreview.html

Learn before you become just another Nazi motherfucker!

War is never the solution. I know as I was in Yugoslavia during the civil war with the UN. All that results is hate, destruction and fear.

No I am not kidding.
Hitler was undeniably an Evil man. Nonetheless he was a man a graced by God with the ability to reason intelligently. Much of his work has benefited mankind to no end. His means were dispicable. Yes evil men are capable of intelligence I do not support his actions or words. We both simply hold an older more previlant belief.


Yes my world view is greatly colored by my experience. But I have taken action to wash my hands of responsibility for the actions of any "evil empire" and served the federal government by notorized decleration a unilateral proclamaition of my own individualied sovereignty. Since my tour of duty I have declared myself a nation of one.

How sad that you hold these beliefs

Hitler was not intelligent. If he was, he would never have started the war in the first place and he would have been happy to terrorize his own people for the remainder of his pitiful life.

I am an army brat and a fomer soldier. I don't understand your logic as I hope never to see any kind of conflict again in my life. I still have nightmares.

Learn more about national socialism (NSDAP) and you will come to that only logical conclusion, if not be happy to remain prejudiced and ignorant.

Sorry to hijack your thread.. let more of the same garbage commence flowing

"I am noone's lap dog, nor do I consider my country, the UK or Israel to be "evil empires" ---that is a personal assault"

An empire isn't a person.

The FACT that the US is an empire is verified by all the US military bases all over and the FACT that wealth flows into the US from countries based upon export agriculture and exploitation.

Anyone can argue that an empire is evil with ease - there haven't been many good empires in history ... can you think of any?

"Hitler was undeniably an Evil man. Nonetheless he was a man a graced by God with the ability to reason intelligently."

Sure ... if by "reason intelligently" you mean "mistakenly believe he can take over the world through force" and "bet on the wrong guys during the 1936 Olympics" and "lose Einstein to the USA from endorsing racism".

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