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#1427710 - 07/13/08 11:21 AM
Victims of Saddam's Regime
  
[Re: davidmalmolevine]
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Ganja God

Registered: 05/26/04
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"If u believe in karma then you can find no fault in the universe, aware that everybody gets [has got] what they deserve."
If you're going to try and compare those who boast with those who commit mass murder, I hope your Karma comes quick.
 Mass graves in Iraq are characterized as unmarked sites containing at least six bodies. Some can be identified by mounds of earth piled above the ground or as deep pits that appear to have been filled. Some older graves are more difficult to identify, having been covered by vegetation and debris over time. Sites have been discovered in all regions of the country and contain members of every major religious and ethnic group in Iraq as well as foreign nationals, including Kuwaitis and Saudis. Over 250 sites have been reported, of which approximately 40 have been confirmed to date. Over one million Iraqis are believed to be missing in Iraq as a result of executions, wars and defections, of whom hundreds of thousands are thought to be in mass graves. Examination of mass grave sites by the coalition team and local Iraqis. CPA photo. December 19, 2003 The 1983 attack against Kurdish citizens belonging to the Barzani tribe, 8,000 of whom were rounded up by the regime in northern Iraq and executed in deserts at great distances from their homes. The 1988 Anfal campaign, during which as many as 182,000 people disappeared. Most of the men were separated from their families and were executed in deserts in the west and southwest of Iraq. The remains of some of their wives and children have also been found in mass graves. Chemical attacks against Kurdish villages from 1986 to 1988, including the Halabja attack, when the Iraqi Air Force dropped sarin, VX and tabun chemical agents on the civilian population, killing 5,000 people immediately and causing long-term medical problems, related deaths, and birth defects among the progeny of thousands more. The 1991 massacre of Iraqi Shi’a Muslims after the Shi’a uprising at the end of the Gulf war, in which tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians in such regions as Basra and Al-Hillah were killed. The 1991 Kurdish massacre, which targeted civilians and soldiers who fought for autonomy in northern Iraq after the Gulf war. Opponents and critics of the regime from all religious and ethnic groups were also executed and buried in mass graves. Many of these are believed to be located at or near prisons and former military establishments. These crimes have acquired a measure of notoriety and salience. Thousands of other Iraqis, including Marsh Arabs, Shi’a Muslims in the 1970s and 1980s, and students involved in uprisings in Najaf in 1999 may also be lying in mass graves in Iraq. Victims of Saddam's Regime massgraves.9neesan.com/47.jpg www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/27000.htm 
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#1427756 - 07/13/08 02:56 PM
Re: Victims of Saddam's Regime
[Re: Mr Hand]
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Ganja God
 
Registered: 09/17/99
Posts: 21457
Loc: BC
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I don't know why you are mentioning Saddam in a 9/11 thread ... but anyway ... A fair trial would at least accept the elementary moral principle of universality: The accusers and the accused must be subject to the same standards. For a truly fair trial, it's surely relevant, as an abundance of congressional and other records show, that Washington made an unholy accommodation with Saddam during the 1980s. The initial pretext was that Iraq staved off Iran — which it attacked with U.S. backing — but the same support continued well after the war was over. Now, those responsible for the policies of accommodation are bringing Saddam to the bar of justice. Rumsfeld, as Ronald Reagan's special envoy to the Middle East, visited Iraq in 1983 and 1984 to establish firmer relations with Saddam (at the same time the administration was criticizing Iraq for using chemical weapons). Powell was Bush I's national security adviser from December, 1987, to January, 1989, and a few months later became chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Cheney was Bush I's defense secretary. Thus, Powell and Cheney were in top decision-making positions for the period of Saddam's worst atrocities, the massacre and gassing of the Kurds in 1988 and the crushing of the Shiite rebellion in 1991 that might have overthrown him. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0125-06.htm There you go. Every crime Saddam committed since Rummy shook his hand was endorsed by the US government (in fact, much of the current administration!) So go bomb yourself!
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"making the earth a common treasury for all, both rich and poor." Gerrard Winstanley; April 20, 1649
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#1433539 - 08/09/08 12:58 PM
Re: Victims of Saddam's Regime
[Re: davidmalmolevine]
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Ganja God

Registered: 01/30/06
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Loc: Grande Ronde Valley, NE Oregon...
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There you go. Every crime Saddam committed since Rummy shook his hand was endorsed by the US government (in fact, much of the current administration!)
So go bomb yourself! "Endorsed", is political spin. Just as the USA does not interfere in the internal affairs of any other business partner of Allies like Japan whose main source of oil was/is Iraq, the USA did not nescessarily endorse what Saddam did. It was not until twelve years after the first Gulf War that the USA took matters into their own hands having waited for thE UN far long enough to deal with Saddam`s stiff necked refusal to cooperate with IAEA inspectors and having learned that Saddam was financing suicide attacks against Israel, among other things like Oil for Food which was so obviously enabled from within the United Nations, the USA finally decided to take Hussein out. Compare that to the present situation in Georgia where Russia has launched a premeditated attack inside Georgian teritory, and your accusatory stance has no legs. Clearly beyond a reasonable doubt, Saddam was confronted with a choice; political exile, or invasion of Iraq solely for the purpose of stretching his neck. No, it was stupid Sadaam who chose to sacrifice Iraq rather than give up power. It`s just a shame that so many of our EU frenemies were involved in bback door illegal oil scams. No wonder they got so pissed. Let me remind you that while the US remained on the sidelines, European nations, including Russia supplied Saddam with the hardware he used to kill people. Now, are there any other spins in your head?
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Little Miss Muffet sat on her tuffet, eating her curds and whey. Along came a spider which sat down beside her and said,"Load a bowl, BBB bitch?!"
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#1433642 - 08/10/08 01:36 AM
Re: Victims of Saddam's Regime
[Re: benjamin]
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Ganja God
 
Registered: 09/17/99
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""Endorsed", is political spin. Just as the USA does not interfere in the internal affairs of any other business partner of Allies like Japan whose main source of oil was/is Iraq, the USA did not nescessarily endorse what Saddam did." Of course the US endorsed what Saddam did. If someone avoided criticizing Hitler but instead shook his hand, and then sold him weapons, then held his hand, and then later sold him cheap food and weapons, that would be considered an endorsement. Same with the US military government: http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z115/jerm_b73/SaddamRumsfeld.jpg http://www.pulsetc.com/image/2005/0706/RumsfeldShakesSaddam.jpg http://www.yopyop.com/citizens/images/uploads/metroad.jpg http://www.humorgazette.com/images/pix-rummy-saddam.jpg http://farm1.static.flickr.com/69/160127018_764d056f53_o.jpg Rummy only SHOOK hands with Saddam Senator Richard Shelby (R-AL), supporting the Iraq war resolution in October, 2002: I support this resolution because the threat posed by the brutal dictatorship of Saddam Hussein is real, immediate, and growing. The threat is real because Saddam possesses conventional, chemical and biological weapons. He is doing everything in his power to acquire the means to construct and field nuclear weapons. The threat is real because Saddam has used his conventional and chemical weapons to attack his neighbors and his own people. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bgoodsel/post911/shelbysaddamsm.jpgSo tell me, Senator, why were you holding hands with Saddam just three months after his chemical attack on Halabja? That photo is from Joseph Wilson's The Politics of Truth. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bgoodsel/post911/2004/06/rummy-only-shook-hands-with-saddam.htmIn October, 1989, Bush I issued a national security directive, declaring that "normal relations between the United States and Iraq would serve our longer-term interests and promote stability in both the Gulf and the Middle East." The United States offered subsidized food supplies that Saddam's regime badly needed, along with advanced technology and biological agents adaptable to weapons of mass destruction. What a Fair Trial for Saddam Would Entail Noam Chomsky The Toronto Star, January 25, 2004 http://chomsky.info/articles/20040125.htm
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"making the earth a common treasury for all, both rich and poor." Gerrard Winstanley; April 20, 1649
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#1438052 - 08/23/08 08:36 AM
Re: Go Senator Johnson!
[Re: davidmalmolevine]
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Super Stoner

Registered: 05/25/04
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Loc: Winnipeg Manitoba
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lgEpaLVjgo&NR=1
Senator Karen Johnson Brings 9/11 Truth to Arizona I watched the youtube and I wonder why all these people don't pool their own resources and pay for their own investigation? Like if they don't like the results of the first government investigation, what on God's green Earth makes them think a second Investigation will yield different results? What horseshit calling for an "independent" investigation. Who is going to conduct that? David-Malmo-Levine? The Chinese? I watched those 9/11 films and it is obvious to me why the Twin Towers fell. Any idiot can have a look at the old Winnipeg Arena imploding to gain an understanding that controlled demolishion doesn't always work either. I just don't understand why these people want to waste taxpayers money? Why doesn't every 9/11 truther dig into their own pockets, sell raffle tickets, or do whatever it takes to raise the money for their own independent investigation if that is what they want? That would be the only way to they would believe anything anyway. It's called he who pays the piper calls the tune. The US Taxpayers paying for any investigation won't ever be believed by the truthers unless they are told what they want to hear anyway. So when they all got their own money riding in the investigation and then they are told that jumbo jets crashing into the twin towers caused them to fall, well, then they can fire that investigation team, hire a new one and keep at it until they get the answer they want to hear. That's the only way a truely "independent" investigation can be had. It is so simple. Pay the piper and call the tune themselves.
Edited by Chris Buors (08/23/08 08:38 AM)
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