I love roses, too. Thorns are part of the rose, and so I must love them, too. Otherwise, I would not love roses.

"Misguided is the proper term."

I see. ALL "colored people" are MISGUIDED.

I'm glad you got out of pot activism before you said that into a microphone.

I said all people who support the Civil Rights Act are mis-guided.

If you are black, white, yellow, red or any other shade under the rainbow and you thing the Civil Rights Act is a good piece of legislation you are mistaken for all the reasons stated in my last post.

The accomplishments of legislation was the subject matter and not everybody reads their own twist into every word.

Now you can appreciate why I prefer the plain speakers as opposed to the linguists who tend to read too much into anything said.

"I said all people who support the Civil Rights Act are mis-guided."

So which "colored people" don't? Many say "not far enough down the right path", but who says "wrong path altogether and we should go back to the way things were before"?

Have you any examples?

And Ron Paul doesn't count ... he's not "colored".

You have got to be kidding right?

Every libertarian believes the same ideology.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/alston/alston-arch.html

Wilton Alston is one of my favorite libertarian writers who happens to be black.

I have sent Mr. Alson several e-mails expressing admiration and asking permission to steal his ideas and relate them in local letters to the Editor I have written.

He's got a really nice writing style and is not afraid of taking on race related issues from a libertarian stand point.

Try this one on for size.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/alston1.html

Where Have All the Black Libertarians Gone?
by Wilton D. Alston

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Finally I have to remind you that Lorretta Nall already piped in with
http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums...393#Post1429393



How about Malcom X though at this point, I'm taking Loretta's word for it?

I think you need to re adjust that word "misguided" Chris. The issue of racism goes beyond Libertarian principles and beliefs. I began reading an article about the historical implications of Barack Obama`s nomination. It made me cry in memory of Dr. Martin Luther King. Today, I am very proud and happy to know that a black man is at the threshold of obtaining the highest office in the government of the United States; moreover, it is gratifying to know that his white supporters are not being spit upon, beaten, shot or removed from their jobs just for associating with a black man.

By whose authority did George Wallace speak these words? "In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever." Those words were penned by none other than Wallace`s speech writer, Asa Earl Carter , who spent the latter years of his life concealing his involvement with the Ku Klux Klan. .

I`m going to have to tell you something about Libertarian principles which I believe personally. Libertarians, if allowed to practice their ideologies would eventually degenerate into a rabble where only might makes right. When there is no other way to ensure protection of a minority`s rights as defined by the US Constitution, then call in the USMC if nothing else prevails. The Civil Rights Act? If there is only one thing it accomplished, I say it was successful because it destroyed the backbone of organized persecution of all non whites and Jews. My country is an equal opportunity destroyer of subversive hate groups, and I like it.

An interesting sidebar to the article about Barack Obama is that it mentioned that the Democratic Party was skirting around the race issue during the convention. Ya Damn right, they had better not bring this up very many times lest people remember just how firmly grounded in racism the party was back in the day

48th Governor of Alabama
In office
January 14, 1963 – January 16, 1967
Lieutenant James B. Allen
Preceded by John Malcolm Patterson
Succeeded by Lurleen Wallace
In office
January 18, 1971 – January 15, 1979
Lieutenant Bill Baxley
Preceded by Albert Brewer
Succeeded by Fob James
In office
January 17, 1983 – January 19, 1987
Preceded by Fob James
Succeeded by H. Guy Hunt

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Born April 25, 1919(1919-04-25)
Clio, Alabama
Died September 13, 1998 (aged 79)
Montgomery, Alabama
Political party Democratic
American Independent Party (1968)
Spouse Lurleen Wallace (deceased)
Cornelia Ellis Snively (divorced)
Lisa Taylor (divorced)
Profession Lawyer
Religion Born-again Christian after 1964
George Corley Wallace Jr. (August 25, 1919 – September 13, 1998), was a United States politician who was elected Governor of Alabama as a Democrat for four terms (1963-1967, 1971-1979 and 1983-1987) and ran for U.S. President four times, running as a Democrat in 1964, 1972, and 1976, and as the American Independent Party candidate in 1968. He is best known for his pro-segregation attitudes and as a symbol of bigotry during the American desegregation period, which he modified after the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace#Segregation

[size:14pt] I still support Affirmative Action laws too.

The Somoli's lived without a state for 11 years and did as well if not better than their neighbors.

Ireland had no central authority from 300 ad to 1300 when the British finally inflict one on them.

The Family comes to occupy then central power structure with respected members meting out advice and justice. Thanes were groups that could be joined and left at will or started on your own.

I have faith in freedom and none in politicians.

I too hope Barrack Obama wins the presidency on the merit of his achievements and potential.

But there is not a dimes worth of political difference between his polices and John McCain on important issues.

Both support a "responsible withdrawl" from Iraq. Obama wants to shift troops to Afghanistan and both called Georiga the aggressor and are threating the Russians.

They are both capable of delivering WW3 to our doorsteps.

So the color of their skin is not important so far as I'm concerned.

And there wasn't a nickle's worth of difference between Barrack and Hillory so far as policy goes too.

Any saving grace has got to come from the economic fact that at least the Democrats walk the walk of the talk they talk.

The Republicans have just about spent the country broke now.

Who knows what Barrack will do when he gains power. It may just be that he will have an economic ression the likes of which American has never seen before to deal with.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a socialist who believed in the power of the state to accomplish great things.

Dr. King was wrong. The State is always the bringer of great evil, especially when the powerholders are motiviated by doing great things with power.

New York city is a pretty good indication of what happens when people from all over the world gather to exchange goods and services. Voluntary assimilation has taken place through chosen marriage and social interactions.

Everybody gets along pretty good considering many of their ancestors were at each other's throats for hundreds of years. Now they are Americans and willingly go anywhere in the world to kick whoever Uncle Sam wants their ass kicked.

Me, I like the fine example the Mises Institute and Lew Rockwell exibit. Catholics who admire the intellectual work of Jews is what it boils down too. Crazy things can happen when you put aside the ingrained prejudices and think about how we can all get along in a free and prosperous commonwealth.

I think most people could see the sense in the two golden rules of peaceful conduct. Mind your own business and keep your hands to yourself.

Most of the people I have met in my life were the kind of people that would give you the shirt off their backs if they thought that you needed it worse then they did.

Very few individuals I met were true criminals.

I don't think either types would act any different if there were no law or a million of them.

Everybody knows right from wrong. The aggressors are always the criminals.

We would all get along pretty good absent any laws. Everything would have to be done by voluntary cooperation.

Me, I have one look out the window at what George Bush does, travels around with a general who has all the nuclear codes so Bush can launch a war that could destroy us all in a heartbeat. No tyrant of yesteryear ever had that kind of power.

The I turn my head and see V. Putin's action and the point is driven home to me that the words on the Constitutions papers constrain these guys about as much as toilet paper does.

By Frances Rice

From Why I am a Black Republican & Why Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican..

It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. By signing the Emancipation Proclamation, Freeing the slaves was thus a political question that every Republican in Congress voted for, and every Democrat voted against. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism.

My Personal Experiences

My great-great-grandparents were slaves, and I spent my formative years in poverty in the segregated South during the 1940’s, 1950’s and 1960’s. I was born in Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia, the same hospital where Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was born, and I occasionally attended Ebenezer Baptist Church where Dr. Martin Luther King, Sr. was the pastor. I suffered personally at the hands of the Democrats and while in High School participated in civil rights protests inspired by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Over the years, using my Republican Party principles of hard work, getting a good education and personal responsibility, I pulled myself out of poverty, earning both an MBA and a Juris Doctorate degree. I am now a retired lawyer and Army Lieutenant Colonel who spent 20 years in the military.

The knowledge I gained about the racist past and failed Socialism of the Democratic Party came from personal experiences and historical research.

It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860's, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's.

During the civil rights era of the 1960's, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools. President Eisenhower also appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision ending school segregation.

Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a civil rights advocate. In reality, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Senator Al Gore, Sr. After he became president, John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.

A review of Senator Barry Goldwater’s record shows that he was a Libertarian, not a racist. Goldwater was a member of the Arizona NAACP and was involved in desegregating the Arizona National Guard. He supported the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and the Civil Rights Act of 1960, as well as the constitutional amendment banning the poll tax. His opposition to the more comprehensive Civil Rights Act of 1964 was based on his libertarian views about government. Goldwater believed that the 1964 Act, as written, unconstitutionally extended the federal government's commerce power to private citizens, furthering the government’s efforts to "legislate morality" and restrict the rights of employers. Barry Goldwater, the 1964 Republican presidential nominee, won the black vote in five Deep South states because of his opposition to the Civil Rights Act.

It is instructive to read the entire text of Goldwater’s 1964 speech at the 28th Republican National Convention, accepting the nomination for president that is available from the Arizona Historical Foundation. By the end of his career, Goldwater was one of the most respected members of either party and was considered a stabilizing influence in the Senate.

History shows that Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it. From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks while democrats only favor civil rights with socialist intrusions…

It was Democrats who started the Ku Klux Klan that became the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party to lynch and terrorize Republicans-black and white. Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws and fought every piece of civil rights legislation from the 1860’s to the 1960’s. Shamefully, Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws, and when the Democrats regained control of Congress in 1892, they passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned the original civil rights laws enacted by Republicans. Republicans founded the HCBU’s and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Democrats. It took Republicans six decades to finally enact civil rights laws in the 1950’s and 1960’s, over the objection of Democrats…

Omitted from discussions today are significant facts about the struggle to pass the landmark 1964 Civil Rights Act. The law was an update of Republican Charles Sumner's 1875 Civil Rights Act which had been stuck down by the Democrat-controlled US Supreme Court in 1883.

The chief opponents of the 1950's updates to Civil Rights Acts were Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd. Senator Byrd, a former member of the Ku Klux Klan. Former presidential candidate Richard Nixon lobbied hard for the passage of the bill. When the bill finally came up for a vote, the House of Representatives passed the bill by 289 to 124. 80% of Republicans in the House of Representatives voted yes, and only 63% of Democrats voted yes. The Senate vote was 73 to 27, with 21 Democrats in the Senate voting no, and only 6 Republicans voting no.

In order to break the Democrats' stranglehold on the black vote and free black Americans from the Democrat Party's economic plantation, we must shed the light of truth on the Democrats. We must demonstrate that the Democrat Party policies of socialism and dependency on government handouts offer the pathway to poverty, while Republican Party principles of hard work, personal responsibility, getting a good education and ownership of homes and small businesses offer the pathway to prosperity.

http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com

I am glad that you chose to draw attention to homogenous societies` alleged successes. In truth, Irish culture was not much different than the sons of Ishmael we`ll call the Bedouin.
Bloody clan warfare was the order of the day,making only might the arbiter of justice. These Families, if you will, made and broke alliances based on what was best for them and theirs without regard for any lasting desire to unite for the benefit of all Irish. All accross Europe before there were nations, this intercine warfare continued until the era of Monarchy took hold promoted by the influence of the Holy Roman Empire who established the idea that Royalty, supported by the Church would stand in stead of God on earth. That Christianity had been perveted there can be no argument against. In modern Libertarian philosophy, the market substitutes for the state and whatever survives is good, and whatever is overthrown is bad.

Libertarians go out of their way to say they support political freedom; yet, the end of any uninhibited power eventually leads to the subversion of opposition. Without reasonable intervention by a distributive system known as government, complete with a constitution and laws within that framework, tyranny would thrive. In both the United States and Canada Libertarians could not possibly survive in the face of untold millions of people in opposition to their special brand of "Family Values." As for myself and a host of others, I`ll settle soewhere between Hitler and Stalin, where markets and regulations converge to be decided by three seperate branches of government to prevent the establishment of absolute corruption. Libertarianism does have it`s origins in the Old World European thinkers ...Fuck Europe.

I used to believe in that ideal too until I became aware that no government will ever be restricted to it's constitutional powers.

The battles that went on in Ireland to settloe disputes pales in comparrison to what was going on in Europe and everywhere else during the same period.

Pennsylvania provides a great example of where a libertarian society emerges and thrives throughout William Penn's rule.

They were Quakers and not prone to violence and killing. It was very difficult to inflict a government on Pennsylviania because those individual had tasted tru freedom. Once that happens, trying to sell the benefits of government is very difficult to do.

Liberty being the highest ideal naturally brings about the Family as a power unit for the welfare of the group.

People are more apt to work and share within a community that they have a blood tie to. That circumstance will ensure that the public good will be served even better than some central authority taking care of himself and friends.

I think Canadians and Americans would appreciate any liberty they were to regain at this particular time in history.

Sooner of later every government ever devised has fallen because the power holders seek to regiment the people.

Leaving people alone works so long as they leave you alone.

Mind your own business and keep your hands to yourself would become the only code of conduct people would be required to follow.