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#1307838 - 05/12/07 10:28 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! ** [Re: Antipas]
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It takes just as much faith, -no. It takes more faith to believe in a big bang, than it does to believe in Jesus.




no faith requires not having evidence and just basically hoping...the big bang is a theory, and a theory is a scientific explanation....there is plenty of reasons to know the big bang happened , you just have to have the knowledge, and its no secret, you can read about it all you want....whereas christianity pretty much goes against all proof.

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We use a scientific method in Hermeneutics, we just don’t have that “antisupernaturalistic bias” that prevents us from acknowledging the One True Creator and the operation of His Hands in existence. And actually, I could work with a big bang theory as long as the “bang” was known as God speaking existence into existence.




why do you HAVE to put a god in there?? and which god by the way? remember we have made up plenty of gods in the millions of years we have been around.

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There’s no way man could have written those books. I don’t care what anybody says. Except maybe God. And if you ask Him about it, He says He wrote it…
In the beginning was the Word.




now i know you're either crazy or lying and dont actually study writting....everyone knows men wrote the stories in the bible, and then certain ones were chosen to stay, and others were thrown away.

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That’s what I’m saying! There can only be One Creator of all created things. It’s like the chicken or egg first thing. That One True God has revealed Himself to us.




then what created god????!???

its like debating a 3 year old....

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Why is there something rather than nothing?




because if there was nothing we wouldnt ask that question...the question it self acts as though there is a reason things exist....why does sand fall and pile in what appears to be a uniformed pattern (a cone)...does god place each individual grain of sand down to make it look like an order? no it falls that way because its the way the universe is....

you cant use the "everything needs a creator" argument because then that creator would need a creator.

why something rather then nothing?? why were you born where you were?? chance.

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That’s what I’m saying! There can only be One Creator of all created things. It’s like the chicken or egg first thing. That One True God has revealed Himself to us.




well the dinosaur came before the chicken and if you look at chicken legs you will see they still represent lizard scales....its evolution...

what came first god....or heaven (where i assume gods HQ is)
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#1307839 - 05/13/07 01:32 AM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: skitzo420]
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Why is a theory so true to you because you believe it and others are not true because you don't,for you have no more proof being realistic here than anyone else.All your beliefs are based on what man think's happened(maybe says he)he make's a lot of dot's and connect's them himself he is educated it makes sense so it's true,sorry man but it sounds like searching for the pot of gold under the rainbow every field you cross you are sure the next feild is where the gold is but when you get there it seems to be in the next one.To rely on man alone i believe is a very dangerous thing,you just have to look at the past to see that.

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#1307840 - 05/13/07 01:45 AM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: pjstarchild]
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You believe that God is true,you have felt the power of the spirit within.Now i'm confused as to this other power you talk of,for i took there only to be one of two places where you can recieve power from and i know you know what i mean so if it isn't from the santanic side where do you recieve it from?Also i'm sure you know of the cunniness and decieving that goes on in the spiritual world.

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#1307841 - 05/13/07 08:37 AM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: divil]
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a theory is testable....it is there for all to try and empirically see for themselves....

i have had to explain the difference between faith and science, theories, and belief, to you guys so many times it is not funny....they are two very different things..

there is no "theory" of god....because there is no testable observable evidence.....

also i dont think you know what a theory is....it is a set of principals on which the practice of an activity is based....or in layman's terms...it is an explanation of how something happens....it might not be the best explanation, but it is how something happens.

what do you think about alien life??

lets look at this universe and try to find a reason why your god would throw us in this big emptiness at random...

did he create other life and not tell us about it...because i bet that would be your answer if we found life elsewhere.

why assume the christian god is the real one? why not the hindu gods? or thor? why even add a god into the picture.... entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.
....thats a good rule of science, and was thought up by a religious man, William of Ockham.
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#1307842 - 05/13/07 08:49 AM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: Antipas]
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also thought i would add this...maybe you will stop comparing my scientific theories to your off the top of your head beliefs.

THEORY:

In science, a theory is a mathematical description, a logical explanation, or a proven model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theory which explains why the apple behaves so is the current theory of gravitation.

BELIEF:

According to Plato,[1] knowledge is justified true belief. False beliefs are not knowledge, even if the individual believes them to be true; a sincere believer in the flat earth theory does not know that the Earth is flat. Unknown facts are not knowledge, because they are not known by any individual; it is the belief element in justified-true-belief that makes the link between a state of affairs and an individual. Unjustified true beliefs are lucky guesses, and therefore not knowledge.

Most philosophers hold the view that belief formation is to some extent spontaneous and involuntary.[citation needed] Some people think that one can choose to investigate and research a matter but that one can not choose to believe. On the other hand, most people have the impression that in some cases people don't believe things because they don't want to believe, especially about a matter in which they are emotionally involved.

If one has an external inducement to belief, such as a prospective marriage partner, he may be unable to drastically change his true belief in order to obtain the desired reward. The best he might do would be to pretend at belief. There is a possibility that with study, he would come to change his belief, depending on his earlier sources and his confidence in the validity of new ones.

Delusions are defined as beliefs in psychiatric diagnostic criteria (for example in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders). Psychiatrist and historian G.E. Berrios has challenged the view that delusions are genuine beliefs and instead labels them as "empty speech acts", where affected persons are motivated to express false or bizarre belief statements due to an underlying psychological disturbance. However, the majority of mental health professionals and researchers treat delusions as if they were genuine beliefs.

FAITH:

Believing a certain variable will act or has the potential to act a specific way despite the potential influence and probability of known or unknown change.

To believe without reason:

* Believing impulsively, or believing based upon personal 'hopes'
* Believing in certain ideas despite the presence of contradicting scientific evidence.

i hope now you will understand the difference between what i do and what you do...you blindly follow, im constantly searching....i bet if there is a god, he would like my curious nature rather then your subservient nature....

please dont answer unless you KNOW what the words you are using mean.
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#1307843 - 05/13/07 11:24 AM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: divil]
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Divil...the other power I have have felt is from the Pagan side. It is a whole seperate belief, that does not include the christian god or christian satan. It is yet another beleif on its own.

This is just a quick answer to a complex question.
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#1307844 - 05/13/07 11:37 AM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: divil]
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Also i'm sure you know of the cunniness and decieving that goes on in the spiritual world.




oh of course...because early church leaders said that anything that wasnt from god, must have been from satan....how do you believe this garbage?

people worship different gods all over this planet because they didnt have answers to the same questions and all dealt with it individually....when you "feel god" you "feel" the christian god you have been indoctrinated to believe unquestionably....when a hinduist "feels god" they feel one of their gods that they have been indoctrinated to believe...they dont "feel" satan, who is trying to trick them...that is so pretentious and silly, i dont know how you can call yourself a rational person, if you believe that.
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#1307845 - 05/13/07 12:59 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: pjstarchild]
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Thankyou,i understand.

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#1307846 - 05/13/07 01:18 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: skitzo420]
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There is no testable evidence of God then i doubt you cannot see and we are not to put God to the test but why should we need to when he is all around us,no theory no test.I know what a theory is and it's not a fact it's basically in"laymans terms"a possibility of how something might have happened.About alien life i know nothing and have no interest wheather they exsist or not but if they do who's to say they aren't meant to be part of the picture too.Whatever he be called its God.

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#1307847 - 05/13/07 01:36 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: skitzo420]
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Because early church leaders said that anything that wasn't from God must have been fron satan(skitzo) What i thought as i read that was if it's not from God may it be the hindu,christian or the God of any religion than who can it be from?But you don't believe in a God so you wouldn't understand,in the spiritual world of all faiths there is.

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