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#1390019 - 02/27/08 10:14 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! ** [Re: Canada Dale]
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you know, it's gonna scare the hell out of a lot of people left behind.

Just like when they killed God two thousand years ago.
when the ground started shaking and it got dark, they knew they were in a lot of shit...


it's World History. It's where God meets us on our terms. He became a man just like us, and experienced life just like us, in all it's suffering and all it's glory. God experienced life, just like us, so that we could know Him surely.

The Resurrection of Jesus Christ is a historical fact.
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#1390613 - 03/01/08 09:22 AM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: Antipas]
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Do we have to suffer Like Christ did to prove our devotion and love for him?
Is What Christ went through the only way to God?

Cause I tried the wilderness route, but I was not ready for the cold, nor the pollted rivers,or the wild animals...and even there in the wilderness Evil people came a robbed my tent...

So exactly how does one fulfill God's words Today, when it is so corrupted?
Sell it all and give it to the poor?..what Money? Idolatry?...isn't that just making the same old problem continue?

Sir Les

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#1390615 - 03/01/08 09:27 AM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: Sir Les]
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Maybe if we ponder... that give it to the poor line..we can extract something...

God's people know not what money is..it is a Idol..ingraven images, used to control life and death...

So give it to the poor...poor being people who think money will help them, but don't have any to help themselves...Delusional...caught in a lie!

But the real poeple who are poor but don''t know it...they are rich in spirit...and they know God gives freely!
It has only been underminded by Economics and bent wealth systems of corruption which are now polluting the eco systems beyond repair!


Maybe that is why Christ says give it to the poor...

Sir Les


Edited by Sir Les (03/01/08 09:29 AM)

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#1390636 - 03/01/08 10:54 AM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: Sir Les]
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It comes down to a matter of asking, do you want to really be free, in which case you also run the risk of being attacked by rogue criminals, or stay in the relative security of so- called "civilization", where you are safer but un-free.

Kind of one of the big questions in life for us all to answer, isn't it... Do you want to go on playing the game, part of the mainstream which means to work for a wage, work for companies, corporations,

In which case, you are actually working FOR the criminals.

Then it would be your turn to go out into the forest, and hunt down those who attempt to BE FREE. As a good CITIZEN. It is expected of you. But if you can never do that, you'll never be a good citizen!

Or completely oppose them and their capitalism. Their democracy!

I figure, as long as you don't go get a gun or something, then its ok.

Because otherwise I would, you know.

Go get one that is,


But other than that I just try to do what I can, in my little corner of the world.


I know I can't solve the really big problems. But if I stick to what I can actually do, then I feel I'm doing my part. And that's really all I CAN do, short of taking up a cross... Or backpack full of ammo! ;^)

I figure if enough others could do their part, it would be not only like one small person, but like tiny snowflakes make up a whole snow STORM! A shitstorm of justice shall rain down upon this land!



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#1390750 - 03/01/08 06:42 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: tbud]
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you know, in Lebanon, the dope growers kill one cop for every plant they pull.

it's how wars start. things escalate

take it from the Cup in God's Right Hand... let's find a peaceful solution for the bloody revolutions
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#1390761 - 03/01/08 07:38 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: Antipas]
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you know, I'm even begining to discern and disinguish between money and labor.

like, money is our labor, a perfected form of barter. but it's not really our labor. cutting deeper into the Lord's give to caesar command... our works, our lives. fuck the money. fuck the "stored labor". what good is it really going to do you? how can you borrow from tomorrow?
when I think about it, God's Truth applied would really render the world's systems obselete... but it takes that leap of faith, you gotta walk in His Faith.



-the last few years of my life have been all for the Lord. I don't make shit. I don't have shit. I don't know why I work because I don't desire anything. All I can think of is cause God said I gotta work. I don't look to any real future, I have accepted my place as a second-class citizen because I smoke pot and I bear the oppression, I don't dream anymore.
it's the Lord's dream now. the Lord gave me no choice, I didn't leap on my own. He pushed me out of the nest. But in Faith, I am under His Wing. in Faith, we are under His wing.
I tell ya, Janis was on the ball. Nothing left to lose. God pushed me out of the nest, and now I'm free. learning to fly, but I'm under His Wing.

walk in it. Take the leap in His Faith and walk in it. Trust in it. It's His Promise, it's His Word.
money's money. it comes and goes. we bear our cross of freedom. be content with what we got. We got life.
but our labor. our work. when we're on the job... do you got Psalms on? are you listening to Air 1? is the Spirit there? You control your surroundings. you turn the ground that fosters an environment where Holy Ghost sets down and ministers. You turn the Psalms on.


I work for Jesus. It makes my coworkers mad. "you want to go be a preacher, go be a preacher! otherwise get your ass to work!!" seriously, I will not acknowledge them for purpose of ministry... what can they do... not pay me? I dont' give a shit! it's money. Fire me? your business will fail, the Spirit will leave. Allow God to Minister, your business will prosper. Don't really matter to me, My Father takes care of me.


if you made it today and didn't use it, why do you still have it? because greed kept someone from what they needed.

am I nuts? do I got some Word to stand on? you bet! Turning to Matthew 6 and fininsh with a song!


So then, don’t worry saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’ For the unconverted pursue these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But above all pursue his kingdom and righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. So then, do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Today has enough trouble of its own.
-Jesus-



Psalms 33:18-
Look, the Lord takes notice of his loyal followers,
those who wait for him to demonstrate his faithfulness
by saving their lives from death
and sustaining them during times of famine.

We wait for the Lord;
he is our deliverer and shield.
For our hearts rejoice in him,
for we trust in his holy name.

May we experience your faithfulness, O Lord,
for we wait for you.
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#1392204 - 03/05/08 11:45 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: Antipas]
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Why do you believe in that Epicurus noise?
"Canada Dale"


well let me break it down for you as simple as i can.

if god is omnipotent then he can do ANYTHING

so if he can do anything then why allow evil?

if he knows about it but wont do anything then is he not malevolent?

if he is both able and willing to fix it then why is there evil?

and if he either cant do anything about it or doesnt know then why call him god?

1. God exists. (premise)
2. God is omnipotent and omniscient. (premise — or true by definition of the word "God")
3. God is all-benevolent. (premise — or true by definition)
4. All-benevolent beings are opposed to all evil. (premise — or true by definition)
5. All-benevolent beings who can eliminate evil will do so immediately when they become aware of it. (premise)
6. God is opposed to all evil. (conclusion from 3 and 4)
7. God can eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 2)
1. Whatever the end result of suffering is, God can bring it about by ways that do not include suffering. (conclusion from 2)
2. God has no reason not to eliminate evil. (conclusion from 7.1)
3. God has no reason not to act immediately. (conclusion from 5)
8. God will eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 6, 7.2 and 7.3)
9. Evil exists, has existed, and probably will always exist. (premise)
10. Items 8 and 9 are contradictory; therefore, one or more of the premises is false: either God does not exist, evil does not exist, or God is not simultaneously omnipotent, omniscient, and all-benevolent (i.e. God is omnipotent and omniscient but not all-benevolent, omnipotent and all-benevolent but not omniscient, or omniscient and all-benevolent but not omnipotent).



Argument from evil natural laws and processes

1. A god is omnipotent, omniscient, and all-benevolent.
2. If a god exists, then there exist no instances of an ultimately evil natural laws or processes.
3. The laws of predation are ultimately evil.
4. There are instances of the laws of predation.
5. Therefore, no god exists.

for laws of predation refer here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predation

the epicurus noise actually follows logic....your noise is illogical contradicting sometimes insane, and just clearly utterly wrong.
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#1392303 - 03/06/08 08:59 AM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: skitzo420]
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Skitzo, we're evil.

God Created us as free moral agents. if HE did away with mankind, there would be no evil. the better question is, why did GOd allow Adam to live and procreate after he had demonstrated a rebellion from that which is Good?

For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers together until now.


the answer is you and me and Abraham and Isaac and Adam.



The One who Created us Loves us.
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#1392413 - 03/06/08 12:03 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: Antipas]
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What part of free will don't you understand, Antipas?

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#1392524 - 03/06/08 04:14 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: lithargoel]
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antipas to claim we have free will or free morals to decide as we please then you also have to admit for that to be possible it would mean that god is not omniscient...he cant know everything because if he knew what you would do you no longer have free will...it means you have ONE choice, you might not know it but god does....

well that is contradictory ONCE AGAIN....i dont know how people even live this long in the world without any knowledge of critical thinking or problem solving skills
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