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#1343911 - 08/29/07 12:33 AM Evolution from apes debunked?
Sir Les Veteran Registered: 05/21/07 Posts: 1298	From my reading into the holy bible book of the old testements... It would seems that in the days before Noah and the Ark..there was great SIN in the world.. And there is reference to the nephilim...near the beginning of the creation story... Did they have sex with the animals? And according to scripture...it seems so...how long ago is a mystery...but as we dig up the past...we must hold all explainations to what we find! That could explain why we are finding humaniod like artifacts/bones...linking Humankind to apes... And God saw what was going on...and he saved some...I think that is highly possible! SO when we make claims to Evolution from apes...we should also hold that possiblity out as plausable! Some Humans are still doing that today! It's called beastiality...and the Bible says to kill the humans who do it, and the animals that have been defiled in this sexual debased manner.. If you know where to look...in the news groups of your outlook express program..fetishes...you can find photos and movies for sale of these acts being preformed! Both women and men screwing animals....!! Just another line of thought...towards the truth of the SINS HUMANS DO for MONEY! Sir Les
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#1343912 - 08/29/07 04:59 AM Re: Evolution from apes debunked? [Re: Sir Les]
Slainte Old hand Registered: 09/29/05 Posts: 975 Loc: Toronto	Quote: Did they have sex with the animals? My understanding of the Nephilim is that they were angels who had sex with humans (or perhaps vice versa). I don't think there is any reference to them committing bestiality. I like the fact that you're thinking scientifically, Sir Les. You have formed a hypothesis and you're presenting some evidence in support of it. You could go a step further and talk about how the Nephilim were giants who lived in Canaan. You might even try to find photographic evidence of archeological findings supporting the idea of ancient giants. However, there is a pretty big flaw in your hypothesis: interbreeding of species isn't possible. If something from one species has sex with another species, no offspring will be born. That is one of the fundamental factors of what makes one species different from another. Therefore, in spite of any bestiality (which you're correct in stating has existed throughout recorded history and still exists today) there could never be a convergence of DNA by interspecies breeding. This fact reduces the plausibility of your hypothesis quite a bit. But like I said, keep investigating and thinking about these things objectively. I think you'll learn a lot more. P.S. Don't use those photos I posted. They're fakes.
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#1343913 - 08/29/07 09:55 AM Re: Evolution from apes debunked? [Re: Slainte]
divil Old hand Registered: 12/15/06 Posts: 766 Loc: within and around	So do you believe in angels Slainte?
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#1343914 - 08/29/07 09:57 AM Re: Evolution from apes debunked? [Re: Slainte]
Sir Les Veteran Registered: 05/21/07 Posts: 1298	When God created his creation I don't believe he put in the deterant, or the means to stop the interbreeding from producing fruits... We can cross bread...and make hybrids with certain species!!!...Plants are one form... Humans and or Nephilim could have a gene in them that makes this beastiality theory work with certain species to bare fruits...when God saw what was happening...He caused the flood to wipe out any of that life created in that way! And he changed something in our D.N.A...or the animals that were selected..and saved in the Ark as altared or selected best pairs!!! Thus it is no longer possible to make fruits from beastiality...? might depend on what is being screwed???? But the word of God remains as testement that it did happen=beastiality..and it is still happening today!!! Showing us the debased mind of the demonica! SO my theory...is partly showing signs of being true! And My referance point or matterial that holds these statements is also showing signs of having truth in it, and might be credible more than we think it is!!! All this was put forth in the beginning of the Bible... So who ever wrote these things in Genesis, and there after, must of been witness to the Evils mentioned! That's powerful stuff!...Truth! So by finding truth in the Bible...we could say some or most or all of the writting in the bible hold some weight as truth...and thus as with science...it becomes more credible...and in making fact...it might be undeniable! God made everything...and then he made Humans...and something went wrong with his creations...Mutanty!..chaos...war...and the whole story is right there in the Bible of the outcomes...and what God says was disobediance of the rules!...and disrespect of his authority! Satan and his followers! Sir Les
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#1343915 - 08/29/07 10:33 AM Re: Evolution from apes debunked? [Re: divil]
Slainte Old hand Registered: 09/29/05 Posts: 975 Loc: Toronto	Quote: So do you believe in angels Slainte? Nope. I was just stating what the bible says about the Nephilim.
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#1343916 - 08/29/07 10:37 AM Re: Evolution from apes debunked? [Re: Sir Les]
Slainte Old hand Registered: 09/29/05 Posts: 975 Loc: Toronto	Quote: We can cross bread...and make hybrids with certain species!!! Crossbreeding and hybridizing are different concepts from the idea of two distinct species breeding. You are correct that the process of artificial selection can and does work, but I don't think that's what you're showing as happening in the Genesis account. As I previously mentioned, I like the approach you're taking with this subject. However, you have to be careful not to make assumptions and state them as fact. You say things like this: - "I don't believe he put in the deterant, or the means to stop the interbreeding from producing fruits." - "Humans and or Nephilim could have a gene in them that makes this beastiality theory work" - "And he changed something in our D.N.A." These things are conjecture on your part and there isn't much evidence to support them. I'm not being critical or making fun of you; I'm just pointing out that speculation cannot be introduced as fact without some sort of evidence or reproducible experimentation. So when you say, "SO my theory...is partly showing signs of being true," that's not correct. Your theory will show signs of being true only if you can show proof of your hypothesis. Quote: And My referance point or matterial that holds these statements is also showing signs of having truth in it, and might be credible more than we think it is!!! Here again, you have to be careful with making assumptions. There is no doubt that there is some historically verifiable truth in the bible. For example, a recent archeological discovery found proof of a royal administrator to King Nebuchadrezzar who was heretofore unknown anywhere but by the mention of him in the bible. This showed that the passage that mentions him was/is historically accurate. The problem is, some people took that too far by assuming that everything in the bible has been proven true simply because it was correct in naming that one person. It would be like me writing, "During the presidency of George W. Bush, I was able to fly through the air unaided and using only my arms to lift me." If someone reads that in 2,000 years and discovers that there really was a GW Bush as president, it would not mean my claim of flight was true as well. The same is true of the bible. Just because it gets some historical facts right it doesn't mean that everything therein is true. I know we differ on this point, but I thought I should point it out.
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#1343917 - 08/29/07 10:48 AM Re: Evolution from apes debunked? [Re: Slainte]
Sir Les Veteran Registered: 05/21/07 Posts: 1298	Yah I read about those Photos...But we do have giants still today...they are over 7-8 feet tall...some...and they play basketball...so our D.N.A might hold more truth than the Earth holds for us to find... I think that is where we will no doubt have final credible truth as to what made us Human in the first place! Did we evolve like some of the animals..or have we stayed the same since creation was written down, and even at the beginning of creation...was there one Human with God to speak the words of...Truth...that brought everything into being?...and a witness to write everything down as these thing took place?...using crude words, for unknown events or occurances...??? A truth so powerful it took a negative void, and turned it into a positive one?...and called it Eden?...and a opposite one called Earth?...one tame and perfected...one untame and wild...Opposites...there is evidance in this reality of just such things...I call em principles!...and if we use math algebra...we have quadrants in graphing numbers.. and to make 3d drawings...one quadrant is positive another holds both one still holds the opposite of the first..and the last hold the inverted of the second...These things can be called dimensional plains...We could be living in a odd dimensional plain...of the true life God wants us to achieve...by escaping the confines of this world based on a odd principle...it was not for us to continue living here...it was to teach The evil doers or disobediant a lesson...they should never forget...God is God for a good reason! Life!...can we escape Death?,...Jesus is the Model..Jesus is the Key...Jesus is the way out of this Evil world order! Can we humans that are left here that want to try, and fulfill the Bible instructions...and uphold the ten commandments..and tend to the garden with all seeds and plants...to create a Eden like enviroment that is tame, and in order...so we can show God we understand...by doing the requested actions in the Genesis 2:15...Acts 3:21, 10:15 rev 17:17..so we can escape the demonic that needs to be destroyed...? Only time will tell! Sir Les
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#1343918 - 08/29/07 12:22 PM Re: Evolution from apes debunked? [Re: Slainte]
Sir Les Veteran Registered: 05/21/07 Posts: 1298	Yah I hear you loud and clear..aren't we the human species the proof? SOmething makes us different than other life that is here that we know about.. In scientific America...they have found a gene in mice/rodents...that is tied to depression, and poor learning abilities...and they have found a way to invert that gene...to help change the animals behavior...and it seems to work... In our D.N.A ...there is no doubt proof of all the things that went into our makeup...if the gene of ape or monkey is in the D.N.A...it would hold some weight as to making fact as to where the Human line came from... The Bible says God Made Humankind in his image and all other life...was witness...in the first rendition of Genesis...and the second rendition says There was a witness to the creation that spoke the word of truth to set the life into motion..cause and effect. Some species have crossbred!...they were simular enough to make donkeys..mules...wild horses, ponies...fish also...birds have done it to..different species of simular kind...cross breeding... In science the rabbit can carry a embryo in it of a different species..for some time.. and the embryo does live and grow in the rabbit...untill it can't grow any more in the rabbit...it is then removed and placed back into the Mother of it's species... This has been done in labs to perfect cloning techniques. That much I do know! SO my Theory is not so far fetched..or away from a possible truth... Just Like the theory of the Big Bang and evolution is theory...Speculation at best guess..and the evidance to prove it..seems far fetched and missing elements of proof...it is unknown, and it is based on conjecture...or speculation of the observable possible remnants of bones that are incomplete...that might be a link to Apes... I have a Bible that rings some bells...that says there is a witness to the creation of the universe...God is one, and what ever life that was with him.. Scientist have a mathimatical formula to guess at what is unknown...and what is being observed as observable with out knowing the truth about the veriables!!...they might be in constant choas or change as well...which could make any claim to solving for x,y,z impossible! Guessing...with some formulas that seems accurate enough... We cannot be truly accurate because everything is changing that are being observed, and because of the missing elements that not only are visible we haven't found yet...but the invisible to the human eye!= unknowns!!,,but to convey that truth..or the lies as being fact..is in truth Error on the observers using poor tools to make truth! While omitting the truth already known!= God! Untill those things become visible, or quantifiable with hard physical evidance, or some one has witnessed it,wrote it down and explained it all... and is telling the truth...as in the bible...we can then draw lines to the correct cause and effect! The big bang, to my mind..was the war in heaven...think about it....is it true?...UNKNOWN..but it is plausable! And it is IN the scriptures..and we do have Evil on this world....to point out another truth...Satan/Lucifer and his minions!..Nephilim? Could also be true...but at this point..it is just Guess work....it is all being brought forward...to stop us from doing what is most important...tending and kepping the garden or eco systems in good working order for God and all life!!...and all life intoe, and in good health... Distractions...working for Money....and digging up the dead..really doesn't matter!...instead of working for god and that garden Restored...Acts 3:21 Rev 17:17 That is the best truth...one you all can handle! Sir Les Edited by Sir Les (08/29/07 12:44 PM)
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#1343919 - 08/29/07 12:33 PM Re: Evolution from apes debunked? [Re: Sir Les]
Slainte Old hand Registered: 09/29/05 Posts: 975 Loc: Toronto	Quote: Some species have crossbred!...they were simular enough to make donkeys..mules...wild horses, ponies...fish also...birds have done it to..different species of simular kind...cross breeding... In very rare cases there can be animals of similar but different species who can procreate. They must, however, be part of the same genus. The only problem with these pairings is that the offspring are always sterile and therefore could not propagate and pass on their genetic material. From an evolutionary standpoint, they are "one-shot wonders."
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#1343920 - 08/29/07 01:01 PM Re: Evolution from apes debunked? [Re: Slainte]
Sir Les Veteran Registered: 05/21/07 Posts: 1298	Quote: Quote: Some species have crossbred!...they were simular enough to make donkeys..mules...wild horses, ponies...fish also...birds have done it to..different species of simular kind...cross breeding... In very rare cases there can be animals of similar but different species who can procreate. They must, however, be part of the same genus. The only problem with these pairings is that the offspring are always sterile and therefore could not propagate and pass on their genetic material. From an evolutionary standpoint, they are "one-shot wonders." What was before the great flood..with the D.N.A of the Humans and animals might of been changed when God selected his animals to be saved...and the humans Naoh and his family...to wipe out any possible trace of life, from the old formula..because it had flaws being introduced that were not accounted for in the primary creations...and which went against God intented way of life for them...Evil...Something went wrong with Satan..and his followers...and they were cast down to the earth out of heaven...the Nephilim...Plausable! Accounting accurate?...Hmmm Maybe before the flood the animals were not developed enough in their D.N.A code..and any code / species mixing would work...or be excepted..and life would be made according to that mix... There is another odd mention of a four headed creature at the thrown of God...there are four of them...they have wings also... But they honor God...SO life might have unknowns..not only here on earth....but else where! And it is possible that Humans or a singular human was with God as the word...Jesus Christ!=Truth!=God..undeniable if you test the instructions, and uphold the commandments! You might see things of mystery and magic....God can bend Light..God can change matter..and god commands the atomic structure of everything...this is mearly a reality or matrix for us because we are dangerious creatures! If we prove our selves worthy...God will take us..and put us somewhere else... Promise!...Is it true?...only one way to find out! DO the will, believe in God...he answers all pertanant questions! Sir Les
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