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#1257585 - 12/29/06 12:36 PM Couple in dark after pot bust
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Source: Trail Daily Times (CN BC)
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Pubdate: December 28, 2006
Contact: editor@trailtimes.ca
Address: 1163 Cedar Ave., Trail, BC V1R 4B8
Fax: 250-368-8550
Copyright: 2006 Trail Daily Times
Author: Kate Skye

Medical marijuana

Couple in dark after pot bust

Pete Roglich did not have a happy Christmas. The 52-year-old Trail man has been without power and without his "medicine" since his home was raided Dec. 19 and RCMP seized 200 marijuana plants.

Roglich and his wife Denise both have Health Canada permits to grow, possess and use dried marijuana to help them treat their Hepatitis C.

"I'm sick and getting sicker each week," Roglich said. "I came to Trail because I wanted to retire here, and die here."

No longer able to work as a truck driver, Roglich found a family physician that supported his need for marijuana to help him control his pain, increase his appetite and give him a better mental outlook.

The couple each received permission to grow 25 plants.

When the police arrived at his door he had 50 plants "about a month away from maturity, 50 plants four months away, 50 six months away and some seedlings."

The RCMP confiscated all the plants but not the growing equipment.

"They said, 'We are confiscating your house under the proceeds of crime and we are charging you with possession for the purpose of trafficking," Roglich said.

"I was shocked. I have never sold marijuana, never lied, never stole. What I was doing was legal."

The RCMP "tore the house apart and took the hydro meter out, " shutting down the power.

He was forced to spend Christmas in the cold with no heat, hot water, or cooking facilities, "all in the middle of winter."

One of his concerns was the police didn't bother to check with Health Canada first to see if it was a legal operation.

"If they thought I had too many plants I would have gladly worked with them," he said.

Since he ingests marijuana instead of smoking it, Roglich sometimes needs an ounce a day depending on how he prepares it.

"I need more than people who smoke it," he said.

Now he is considering selling his car, furniture and perhaps even his home.

"Is it better to lie and cheat and steal?" he questioned. "I was leading a very quiet life, never bothering a soul. I am cooperative and non-controversial. I shovel my neighbours' walkways."

Concerned about the cost of having his power turned back on, and the ramifications on his insurance, Roglich said he has no idea what will happen when he appears in court on March 15.

"It's like the RCMP wanted to make an example of me," he said.

"I begged them to leave me some plants but they took everything. This is not a war against drugs; it is a war against people. I have been left in the cold for the resin of a plant. It's wrong."

RCMP Cpl. Martin D'Anjou said the police were unaware that Roglich had a licence until they were in the house.

Under Health Canada protocol someone with a production licence has the option to tell the RCMP if they are growing.

However, an investigation was completed and the RCMP did have grounds to obtain a search warrant, D'Anjou said.

"There is a distinct gap in Health Canada's allowance of how many plants and the number of plants found therefore seized."

The power to the home was shut off as a matter of public safety, he said.

Roglich is also a pastor in the Children of God, Spirit of Christ church, a group that believes in the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes.







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#1257586 - 12/29/06 04:47 PM Re: Couple in dark after pot bust [Re: regular guy]
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They play on the numbers - 100 plants big deal! But big number. Let me guess, they had a 1000 watt light on each plant right? That might make it appropriate to pull the hydro meter and confiscate the house, that might even make it a matter of public safety.

Maybe they did, but a majority only have lots of plants because handling a few big ones is too cumbersome and time between harvest is too long.

Public safety.
The safest place to grow your medicine is in your own home. Then you know what's in it.

What do you want us to do? Buy from overseas and keep the army busy minding our public safety?

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#1257587 - 12/30/06 05:44 AM Re: Couple in dark after pot bust [Re: T5 HO]
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This just goes to show how much respect and care we DO NOT GET from our government and it's gestapo inforcers

An outrage and an embarassment to all Canadians! I'm ashamed to a citizen
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#1257588 - 12/30/06 07:35 AM Re: Couple in dark after pot bust [Re: Opus]
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Say what you want. They were legal to grow 50 plants, and they had 200. That is breaking the law.

To me, they are giving exemptees a bad name by going above and beyond their legal limit. There are no excuses, if you are allowed 50 plants, then only grow 50 plants. Pretty simple.

If you are already exempted, and need more, visit your doctor.
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#1257589 - 12/30/06 09:56 AM Re: Couple in dark after pot bust [Re: Duffy Moon]
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Easy for you to say.

Have you ever been so ill for like months at a time when you have difficulty getting out of bed,where you can hardly walk from the NAUSEA let alone grow your meds.

Why should you not be able to make up those lost months of no growing with extra plants as long as you don't go over your allowed dried marijuana storage what difference does it make.

Have you ever had to jump through Health Canada's whoops...if you had you would know that to change your medication ammounts is a big lengthly arduous deal...for some of us.

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#1257590 - 12/30/06 03:43 PM Re: Couple in dark after pot bust [Re: ekud]
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Say what you want. They were legal to grow 50 plants, and they had 200. That is breaking the law.




A rooted clone is a plant and a 10 foot classifies as a plant. Too bad they don't notice a difference.

And sorry, I said 100 by mistake. 200 - big deal, unless they had fifty 1000 watt bulbs running, then 200 would be big.

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#1257591 - 12/31/06 05:41 AM Re: Couple in dark after pot bust [Re: Duffy Moon]
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To me, they are giving exemptees a bad name by going above and beyond their legal limit. There are no excuses, if you are allowed 50 plants, then only grow 50 plants. Pretty simple.


Variety over wattages. Says nothing about how many watts. Just numbers of plants. Another easy pickins. Yea RCMP thinks every plants a 1000 dollars too. SeaOfGreen


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#1257592 - 12/31/06 08:22 AM Re: Couple in dark after pot bust [Re: regular guy]
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I think we are actually dealing with extremes on both sides of the fence here.

First the police. To come into a persons home and find 150 -200 plants in total is one thing and when they are told that the owners of the home have a medical permit to cultivate things "should" have gone very differently. By the current laws those people probably should have had the overage in plant numbers removed, but they certainly should not have had thier power turned off and all of the other BS that went along with it. Possibly a ticket? Kind of like a speeding ticket except rather than driving too fast it is growing too much.

On the growers side of things there are problems that were self created as well. They had a medical permit to cultivate. That permit allowed them to cultivate a specific amount of plants, plain and simple. They went above that specific amount and I would really imagine that it is this that created the situation as it stands now.

Now, I believe this will take a bit of math in order to show what I mean.

A pack of cigarettes (with MJ instead of tobacco) will hold approximately 1 oz of MJ if properly rolled. A single plant if grown properly can easily produce 3-4 oz of finished buds. The people that got popped had 200 plants growing, 50 about a month away from harvest, 50 that were 4 months away, 50 that were 6 months away and some seedlings ( i will make the assumption that there were about 50 of them since that seems to be the magic number for these particular people).

If each plant were to only produce 2 oz of product each that would be about 100 oz of buds every 2 months based on the schedule that the owner of the house provided. 2 months equals 60 days. In order to use all of that MJ before the next harvest they would have to ingest 1.66 oz per day.

Now I dont know about you all, but I would have a very difficult time trying to ingest in almost any form 1.6 oz (or basically 1.6 packs of cigarettes worth) per day of MJ. I will open admit that there are people out there that can/do ingest this amount per day, but I think that they are much more rare than most people care to admit.

The whole purpose to this was of course to get to a point. I KNOW the police over reacted and did things that they absolutely should not have done considering the circumstances. I believe that the people that owned the home also had in fact broken the rules with regards to plant count, and I also believe that they did this without a ligitimate reason unless they were selling some of what they were growing, which is NOT ok based on a medical permit to cultivate for personal use.

Basically, the people that owned the home had a permit which they violated the rules of. The police WAY went to far, but that being said, a person could look at this more as a suspension of the permit rather than a real pot bust.

I dont think this situation should be touted as "abuse by the man" or used as an example of how tyrranical things have become simply because there were things that aggrevated the situation being done by both sides in this case. We arent talking about a person that got popped with a joint and went to prison behind it. We are in fact talking about a person that had the easy potential of growing approximately 600 oz per year....and all of that claiming personal use for meds only?

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#1257593 - 12/31/06 01:45 PM Re: Couple in dark after pot bust [Re: Cremater]
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600 ozs a year? Yeah, that sounds good to me.
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#1257594 - 12/31/06 03:59 PM Re: Couple in dark after pot bust [Re: Cremater]
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Quote:

I think we are actually dealing with extremes on both sides of the fence here.

First the police. To come into a persons home and find 150 -200 plants in total is one thing and when they are told that the owners of the home have a medical permit to cultivate things "should" have gone very differently. By the current laws those people probably should have had the overage in plant numbers removed, but they certainly should not have had thier power turned off and all of the other BS that went along with it. Possibly a ticket? Kind of like a speeding ticket except rather than driving too fast it is growing too much.

On the growers side of things there are problems that were self created as well. They had a medical permit to cultivate. That permit allowed them to cultivate a specific amount of plants, plain and simple. They went above that specific amount and I would really imagine that it is this that created the situation as it stands now.

Now, I believe this will take a bit of math in order to show what I mean.

A pack of cigarettes (with MJ instead of tobacco) will hold approximately 1 oz of MJ if properly rolled. A single plant if grown properly can easily produce 3-4 oz of finished buds. The people that got popped had 200 plants growing, 50 about a month away from harvest, 50 that were 4 months away, 50 that were 6 months away and some seedlings ( i will make the assumption that there were about 50 of them since that seems to be the magic number for these particular people).

If each plant were to only produce 2 oz of product each that would be about 100 oz of buds every 2 months based on the schedule that the owner of the house provided. 2 months equals 60 days. In order to use all of that MJ before the next harvest they would have to ingest 1.66 oz per day.

Now I dont know about you all, but I would have a very difficult time trying to ingest in almost any form 1.6 oz (or basically 1.6 packs of cigarettes worth) per day of MJ. I will open admit that there are people out there that can/do ingest this amount per day, but I think that they are much more rare than most people care to admit.

The whole purpose to this was of course to get to a point. I KNOW the police over reacted and did things that they absolutely should not have done considering the circumstances. I believe that the people that owned the home also had in fact broken the rules with regards to plant count, and I also believe that they did this without a ligitimate reason unless they were selling some of what they were growing, which is NOT ok based on a medical permit to cultivate for personal use.

Basically, the people that owned the home had a permit which they violated the rules of. The police WAY went to far, but that being said, a person could look at this more as a suspension of the permit rather than a real pot bust.

I dont think this situation should be touted as "abuse by the man" or used as an example of how tyrranical things have become simply because there were things that aggrevated the situation being done by both sides in this case. We arent talking about a person that got popped with a joint and went to prison behind it. We are in fact talking about a person that had the easy potential of growing approximately 600 oz per year....and all of that claiming personal use for meds only?




So you are saying that the fascist motherfuckers who would harass a medically needy person and cut off their power over Christmas and New Years in the middle of winter are morally equivalent to some old man growing harmless plants in his own house. "Both were wrong" kind of bullshit?

To me, people who think like this are collaborators and apologists for tyranny and are contemptible.


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