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#1317118 - 06/25/07 10:47 AM Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth? **** [Re: essveedub]
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I'll stick to defending Susan Wilson and the School and students. Marijuana is good - Susan is good too. These are facts.





Essveedub - By "good", do you mean she keeps her mouth shut when her colleagues go drinkin' with the kids on the weekends or at graduation time? Or that she turns the other way when she sees one of the 16 year old students binge-drinking party maps in the classroom or in the hallway?

If you're here to defend yourself or the real essdub, then why don't you address these illegal activities occurring under her watch in your school?

Like you so clearly stated in one of your previous posts..

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Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth? [Re: goodster]
#1422192 - Sun Jun 24 2007 10:34 PM Edit Reply Quote




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It is not OK in school to promote illegal drugs( your precious rye is illegal for the kids 'til they're 19 ). The sad fact is that it's still freekin illegal. I know you guys are workin on it, but leave the Grade School children out of it.







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#1317119 - 06/25/07 10:56 AM Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth? [Re: essveedub]
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Here's my stance:

Marijuana is probably better than a lot of things that can screw up your mind.
  • Freedom of Speech is an important right.
  • Kieran does lie - proof is in this forum
  • You are basing your side of the issue on his story only.
  • Susan Wilson was justified in her actions.
  • Don't lie to your kids. Don't subject them to things they can't comprehend, either.






O.K. I like your last stance. Don't lie to your kids. Don't subject them to things they can't comprehend, either.

Now, this drug awareness campaign that was brought into the school, what grades, or ages were included in the presentation? Were there grade 5 students included?

Do you support teachers lying to the students, if it's in "thier best interests?"

Did you know that alcohol triggers the exact same receptors in the brain as heroin?

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#1317120 - 06/25/07 10:59 AM Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth? [Re: mikeyzero(40 grit)]
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what evidence can you demonstrate to support any of your claims about KK




He lied. In this very forum. For no apparant reason. Didn't come clean until he was questioned.

He wanted to remove this whole thread. Little bit hypocritical.

And, my assumptions are just logical conclusions based on the WHOLE story. not a 15/16 year old's one point of view.

I'm not saying he is lying to you about the way things were represented. However, I believe that there are some fellow student's who are contradicting his story. More than one.

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You must realize that "anonymous accusers" have no credibility.




Once again, I am the great essveedub. Define anonymous. I choose to go by that name. I do fear that if my personal information got out, I might receive threats, much to the degree that Susan Wilson is allegedly getting. I have a family to consider. You can contact me if you wish by the manner that I have deemed appropriate. essveedub@hotmail.com.

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Most of what KK has said, has been printed in one newspaper or another in support of HIM and his stand.




Mikey, I have a previous post on the biased info these are based on. Don't believe everything you read.

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So where is all the REBUTTAL in the papers to support the opposition?




http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/news/story.html?id=5fc47480-7d4a-47e7-8149-7e46f615d90c&k=67778

Of course this was page 4 - the more sensational story, with the villainous Principal and the poor persecuted school boy was page 1.

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#1317121 - 06/25/07 11:00 AM Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth? [Re: essveedub]
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I'm getting tired of this.
He seems to have a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon based on his statement that he was simply sharing facts about pot.




When you say that Kieran's supporters have only jumped on the bandwagon, you are making an unsubstantiated attack, an ad hominem attack against his supporters. Shills are not "uneducated", rather they are pathetic masters at spreading disinformation and arguing in circles round and round. They love to suck up one's time by disputing them. Be careful, often times shills agree with half of your information, but they are stuck on one or perhaps five things. Your disinformation does not work here; we stand together against your shill tactics.

Someone tell me, if he/she/it were a school administrator, then they couldn't come here and share info/slander about one of "their" students - conflict of interests?

I guess you're some kind of sick, concerned parent, perhaps a true gate keeper of knowledge with your pathetic little slogan - "what about the children?"

Keep lying to your kids, I mean giving them their share of knowledge, and they'll keep coming back to fool you again and again.

Hmm, what do I beleive? I think, especially because of your pseudo-anonymity, that I will continue to take all my dislike of brainwashed administrators, teachers, and some parents, and continue to write invective against you.

Anybody ever meet these power hungry administrator or teachers? It seems twisted people just gravitate to public education. Anytime they lose control of their ability to spread government sanctioned knowledge, they totally freak out and go into a "conniption" fit or here a slandering disinformation act.

You can keep pulling "they" out of your hat all day - they complained, they threatened, they were worried, whatever! They are completely unsubstantiated.







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#1317122 - 06/25/07 11:16 AM Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth? [Re: essveedub]
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someone wrote a letter, eh ...



School receiving support on student's suspension
Matthew Barton, Leader-Post
Published: Wednesday, June 13, 2007


The residents of Wawota, pop. 500, were surprised to see protesters waving signs and shouting into a megaphone Tuesday.

"We can't believe this happened in small-town Wawota," Melanie Taylor, a 17-year-old student at Wawota Parkland School, said Wednesday.

Taylor said she saw five men and two students standing outside the school waving flags and signs. One of the flags resembled the Canadian flag, but instead of a maple leaf, it had a cannabis leaf.


Student Kieran King is the focus of the activity in Wawota. He was suspended from school for three days after disobeying the school's lockdown order during a walkout protest.

King, his brother, members from the Saskatchewan Marijuana Party, a member of the NDP and another person rallied outside the school in the name of freedom of speech.

The 15-year-old student said marijuana is less harmful than alcohol or tobacco. Principal Susan Wilson asked King to stop talking about marijuana to students at school. King claimed it was a violation of his right to free speech.

"(Students) don't need to be thinking about marijuana and thinking it's ok. It's something you shouldn't do. I don't think the principal is wrong at all," said Taylor.

The school division stood behind Wilson's decision to suspend King.

"Schools are not public places. They are institutions with expectations of conduct," said Don Rempel, the director of education for the South East Cornerstone School Division.

According to Rempel, principals may suspend a student up to a maximum of 10 days. Suspensions of three days or less can't be appealed by parents and students.

Reasons for suspension can include defiance, profanity, gross misconduct and refusal to accept discipline.

"It was done within the parameters of the Education Act and school division policy. Schools do not support or promote the use of drugs and alcohol," said Rempel.

Students and parents supported Wilson.

"There's a time and a place to say those things and it's not all right on school property. I feel Principal Wilson handled the situation to the best of her ability," said Lisa Myers, the SRC president at Wawota Parkland School.

Dana Fowler's children attend the school. She said students were not threatened by teachers with punishment for disobeying the lockdown. Instead, the lockdown was for the protection and safety of the students.

"Susan Wilson is to be commended. It couldn't have been an easy decision for her. I think she made the right choice," said Fowler.

King's suspension means he will miss his final exams because he's to leave for China today. By missing his exams he will lose 30 per cent of his final marks. His mother is trying to negotiate with the school to have his final exams faxed to the Canadian embassy in Shanghai.

King is an honour student and has marks in the 80s and 90s. He would still pass Grade 10 even with the severely reduced marks.

"I regret getting suspended but I think the walkout was the right thing to do. It was about freedom of speech, not marijuana," said King.

Myers said it could have been done differently.

"He could have done things in a more tasteful manner. I feel it wasn't very good for our school or community," said Myers.

King disagreed.

"It wouldn't have gotten the same attention or message out. Freedom of speech was the main reason for the walkout," said King.

mbarton@canwest.com

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the holes, mis-information and hypocrisy in this story are dumbfounding.

but good for you guys! you got a 'journalist' to write an article.

let's see how long it takes any one of us to shred it like cheese.








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#1317123 - 06/25/07 11:20 AM Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth? [Re: maha]
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I like this line:

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"Schools are not public places. They are institutions with expectations of conduct," said Don Rempel, the director of education for the South East Cornerstone School Division.




That sounds an awful lot like jail to me. Having been to both places in the past, I know the difference. Jail was the result of an alergy to alcohol
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#1317124 - 06/25/07 11:34 AM Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth? [Re: maha]
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"We can't believe this happened in small-town Wawota," Melanie Taylor, a 17-year-old student at Wawota Parkland School, said Wednesday.





What happened in the town which the young lady "can't beleive"? Freedom?!?!

She can't believe someone stood up for what they believed?

ROFL

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#1317125 - 06/25/07 11:40 AM Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth? [Re: Chris Buors]
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Next time you go to the Drug store, have a good look. There will be an entire shelf of drugs dedicated to children. Parents are expected to protect their children from those drugs, as well as all the adult drugs in the medicine cabinet too.




Yes! Small children have trouble differentiating between M&Ms and coated Tylenol 3s.

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Now so far as Wilson being a good soldier following government orders, there is no doubt about that.




Hey, why not bring this fight to the legislators, and not the schools with five year olds and up.
Don't use Kieran's stories as a springboard to get your cause heard. You're just taking advantage.

Now you seem to understand that the Principal was under legal and fiduciary responsibility to follow up and deal with complaints about the promotion of an illegal drug.

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But they are in that they were trying to control ideas when they should be in the business of promoting the exploration of all ideas.




What do we know about what actually is taught in Wawota? All accusations are based on assumptions that they're only shown the negatives.

Until your organizations are successful in bringing your stance on drugs to be accepted in society, kids will be told that drugs are a bad scene with a very good reason: because the criminal organizations behind the drug supply are only interested in money and getting kids hooked - in order to make more money. I believe that legalizing marijuana would throw a lot of organized crime out of business (or legit, which proably wouldn't make a lot of money). So I don't think your cause is their cause, either. For them, the more addictive a drug is, the better.

Marijuana can be used responsibly, and it can lead to more powerful, harmful things - I haven't read this, I've seen it with my own eyes! The consequences aren't pretty! Should we play Russian roulette with children based on the presumption that they should be able to decide for themselves?

Time to take off the blinders, people.





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#1317126 - 06/25/07 11:51 AM Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth? [Re: essveedub]
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Marijuana can be used responsibly, and it can lead to more powerful, harmful things




Man you keep saying some pretty stupid shit.

You can lead a horse to water.....
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#1317127 - 06/25/07 11:56 AM Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth? [Re: essveedub]
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Mikey, I have a previous post on the biased info these are based on. Don't believe everything you read.




This is so funny.

First, this is how the entire issue started. Kieran did not believe everything he read. You hardly need to point that out to people here, though you should read your own words over to make sure you understand them.

Second, most people in Canada have been educated in schools similar to Wawota's and do not have the capacity to think independantly. They do believe everything they read in the paper. Bitter irony for the Wawota school administration I am sure.

The battle has been fought and won in the papers across the country.

I think it would be interesting to have a townhall debate in Wawota. I certainly would attend with my camera and I am sure credible speakers could be assembled for both points of view. It would be interesting, educational and it might allow the school to retain some credibility.

I am sure the SKMP could help in organizing such an event if there was interest.


Edited by Luther (06/25/07 11:59 AM)

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