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#1316959 - 06/21/07 08:41 AM
Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth?
[Re: Chris Buors]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 03/05/05
Posts: 1756
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The issue is deeper than free speech.
No one in Canada has free speech unless you own a media outlet.
Bingo. Thanks, Chris. This is exactly it. In more enlightened areas of the country, the idea that marijuana would explode into this type of hysteria must be laughable. However, what can we expect when this is what we teach people. The messages from our government are mirrored in the foul mouth of the nurse.
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#1316960 - 06/21/07 08:47 AM
Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth?
[Re: Getthetruth]
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The Prince Of Pot
Registered: 08/19/99
Posts: 5599
Loc: Vancouver, beautiful supernatu...
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What kind of mother allows their 15 year old son to move to China to marry his 25 year old internet girlfriend that he's met only once before....when the same mother lets her 15 year old go to China to actually MEET this internet girlfriend??? Readers: you need some background on these people.....don't jump on the bandwagon to believe everything so fast! Kieran has very few friends, very low social skills, is in absolutely no recreational activity, has rebelled against any type of rules or boundaries, is planning on marrying the first date that he's ever had, contradicts himself about whether he does use illegal substances or not....basically he sits alone at the computer, in his room. There are many red flags about this kid.....and that's just the beginning! All I can say is that he picked this topic because he knew that he would get a lot of attention.....and that's all he's ever craved!
I've been to Saskatchewan enough to know that Kieran's chance of finding an intelligent and inquiring girl in Wawota is nil. Its all Yokel, all the time. Canada's nastiest place for repression, bad laws, racist enforcement, severe penalties, depressing landscape, and smug self-satisfied insulation, the Bible-belt between Winnipeg and Calgary beats anywhere else in Canada.
Even in their most enlightened (and you have laugh at any Sask town being called enlightened) town, Saskatoon, I received 3 months jail sentence for one joint. No one ever moves to Saskatchewan (the province has lost most of its young people for 35 years ---the population drops every year, the only jurisdiction in North America to lose population voluntarily for that long) so after several years of them 'out-of-towners' being unwelcome, you get the inevitable inbreeding, complacency and acceptable of just one (Biblically inspired) way of life. Change never will happen in Wawota because the town enshrines its ignorance as a badge, and no enlightened person in their proper mind would ever move there.
Edited by Marc Scott Emery (06/24/07 11:04 PM)
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#1316961 - 06/21/07 08:54 AM
Marijuana, free speech and the right to know ...
[Re: Never tried]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/17/04
Posts: 2721
Loc: Hawkesbury, Ontario
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Newshawk: MedPot.net Forums Marketwire (press release)NORML Canada Jun 21, 2007 09:00 ET Marijuana, free speech and the right to know the truth School Principal suspends 15 year old for talking about marijuana, NORML Canada, CSSDP and NDP's Libby Davies call for investigation Attention: Assignment Editor, News Editor, Government/Political Affairs Editor MONTREAL, QUEBEC, PRESS RELEASE--(CCNMatthews - June 21, 2007) - The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws in Canada (NORML), Canadian Students for Sensible Drug Policy (CSSDP) and NDP MP Libby Davies today called for an immediate investigation into the actions of Wawota Parkland School's Principal Susan Wilson in the case of 15 year old Kieran King, who was threatened with police action and ultimately suspended for talking to his fellow students about the relative harmfulness of marijuana. Marc-Boris St. Maurice, Executive Director of NORML Canada, stated "We are calling for an immediate investigation into this clear breach of Mr. King's charter rights. We are also calling for the immediate suspension of Principal Wilson pending the results of the investigation and are looking into what other legal action can be taken. What has occurred here is a serious assault on the freedom of speech of a student whose sole crime was to engage in academic debate." Libby Davies, NDP MP for Vancouver East commented: "I respect Kieran's right to debate issues that are important to young people. There are a lot of academics that agree with Kieran's assessment of the comparative health risks of marijuana, alcohol and tobacco. It sounds like he's done his homework." "Mr. King was threatened with police action for voicing an opinion that is well established in fact and science: that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. When he staged a walkout to defend his right to freedom of speech he was suspended, causing him to miss his final exams. Canadians ought to be outraged at the treatment this student has received for voicing an opinion." Said Tara Lyons, Chair of CSSDP. "The information the school was providing was wrong. The information Mr. King shared with his classmates was scientifically supported fact based on the findings of the federal LeDain and Nolin commissions. Now Mr. King stands to lose 30% of his final marks for expressing his opinion and refusing to be intimidated. Principal Wilson needs to be held to account for this flagrant abuse of this young man's rights and Mr. King needs to be allowed to take his final exams.", said St. Maurice. NORML Canada and CSSDP will be filing a request for an investigation with the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission as well as with the Federal minister of Justice and the Provincial minister of Education. For more information please contact Marc-Boris St. Maurice, Executive Director of NORML Canada /For further information: Marc-Boris St-Maurice 514-808-8682/ IN: JUSTICE, POLITICS, SOCIAL For more information, please contact Marc-Boris St-Maurice, executive director, NORML Canada Primary Phone: 514-808-8682 Secondary Phone: 514-521-8764
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#1316962 - 06/21/07 09:12 AM
Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth?
[Re: Chris Buors]
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Veteran
Registered: 08/02/05
Posts: 1356
Loc: Vancouver, BC
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this is where i inject my disdain for the public education system (and everyone please note that i am not against learning. it's just that i don't believe much of it gets done in the public school system):
here's an excellent article published in Harpers a few years ago ('03). i recommend reading it -- it's not long. from that article:
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We have, for example, the great H. L. Mencken, who wrote in The American Mercury for April 1924 that the aim of public education is not
to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence. ... Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim ... is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States... and that is its aim everywhere else.
http://www.spinninglobe.net/againstschool.htm
and Gatto goes on in another address:
"Let me start with the DESIGNING EDUCATION FOR THE FUTURE papers. They were the collusion with the federal education department and the presumably independent state agencies. They redefined education after the 19th century Germanic fashion as (quoting now from the document) "as a means to achieve important economic and social goals for the national character" -- and I would hasten to add that none of those goals included the maximum development of your son or daughter. State agencies would henceforth "act as Federal enforcers insuring compliance of local schools with Federal directives". The document proclaimed that ( I'm quoting again), "each state education department must be an agent of change", proclaimed further "change must be institutionalized". I doubt if an account of this appeared in any newspaper in the state of Vermont or for that matter any newspaper in the country (U.S.). Education departments were (I am quoting a third time) "to lose their identity as well as their authority in order to form a partnership with the Federal Government".
The BEHAVIORAL TEACHER EDUCATIONAL PROJECT outlines specific teaching reforms to be forced on the country, unwillingly of course, after 1967. It also sets out, in clear language, the outlook and intent of its invisible creators. Nothing less than quoting again "the impersonal manipulation through schooling of a future America in which few will be able to maintain control over their own opinions", an America in which (quoting again) "each individual receives at birth, a multipurpose identification number which enables employers and other controllers to keep track of their [underlings]", (underlings is my interpretation, everything else came out of the document), "and to expose them to the directors subliminal influence of the state education department and the federal department acting through those whenever necessary".
Readers learned in 1967, of course you and I were not among those readers, that chemical experimentation on minors would be normal procedure in the post 1967 world. That is a pointed foreshadowing of the massive Ritalin interventions which would accompany the student body of the future. Teachers were expected to function as government change agents and their trainers, ( this the first time reading this document that I realized that the expression "teacher trainer", like animal trainer, is an odd locution) the teacher trainers, were notified that behavioral science would henceforth replace academic curriculum in schools. The project identified the future as one (again I'm quoting) "in which a small league would control all important matters, one in which participatory democracy would largely disappear". Children would be made to see that their classmates, and indeed the average man or woman were so inadequate, were so irresponsible that they had to be controlled and regulated. The tremendous rise in school violence and general chaos in the late 1960's, a period when teachers and schools across the land were stripped of their ability to discipline children, might be seen as a convenient public justification for sharp constrictions of traditional liberty. Each outburst resonated through the press like a billboard for emergency measures.
According to the BEHAVIORAL TEACHER EDUCATIONAL PROJECT, post modern schooling would focus, (I quote directly from the document), "on pleasure cultivation and interpersonal relationships and other attitudes and skills compatible with a non-work world". It makes sense of course, doesn't it? That irresponsible semi-illiterate people could not be trusted with much responsibility so in the new change agentry schooling, which is called for by this national teacher training document, the teacher is a therapist, translating the prescriptions of the social psychologists into practical action research in the classroom."
http://4brevard.com/choice/Public_Education.htm
still ... perhaps we'd best keep this on topic: free speech, and the facts surrounding cannabis vs alcohol or tobacco.
it's apparent to me -- and has been since i was in the system that there was some other force at work trying to influence my mind over to the dark side.
they couldn't keep me quiet at school at either ... and when they threatened to not allow me to write my finals (i had an 86% average and didn't even attend classes for the last two and half months -- only the ones i felt i was getting anything out of -- my father suggested to the principal that perhaps they didn't really want me hanging around for another year. the principal saw the wisdom in that.).
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"In wise hands poison is medicine. In foolish hands medicine is poison."
-Casanova
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#1316963 - 06/21/07 10:10 AM
Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth?
[Re: Marc Scott Emery]
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Enthusiast
Registered: 02/08/07
Posts: 237
Loc: Saskatoon,sk
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What kind of mother allows their 15 year old son to move to China to marry his 25 year old internet girlfriend that he's met only once before....when the same mother lets her 15 year old go to China to actually MEET this internet girlfriend??? Readers: you need some background on these people.....don't jump on the bandwagon to believe everything so fast! Kieran has very few friends, very low social skills, is in absolutely no recreational activity, has rebelled against any type of rules or boundaries, is planning on marrying the first date that he's ever had, contradicts himself about whether he does use illegal substances or not....basically he sits alone at the computer, in his room. There are many red flags about this kid.....and that's just the beginning! All I can say is that he picked this topic because he knew that he would get a lot of attention.....and that's all he's ever craved!
I've been to Saskatchewan enough to know that Kieran's chance of finding an intelligent and inquiring girl in Wawota is nil. Its all Yokel, all the time. Canada's nastiest place for repression, bad laws, racist enforcement, severe penalties, depressing landscape, and smug self-satisfied insulation, the Bible-belt between Winnipeg and Calgary beats anywhere else in Canada.
LOL its hard to find any woman worth much around here they all leave if there worth keeping around. if you can find one worth it thats a good thing but often times theres no hope for finding anything decent around here.
Women around here are like the pot you find around here crap thats only halfway there and if you find anything worth smokeing and bragging about it's ussualy only a joint or three.
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#1316964 - 06/21/07 10:18 AM
Re: Call for Investigation!
[Re: MedPotMarc]
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HASHMOB
Registered: 01/27/02
Posts: 2145
Loc: Yongesterdam.com
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School Principal suspends 15 year old for talking about marijuana, NORML Canada, CSSDP and NDP's Libby Davies call for investigation
This is huge news! Great Work!
goodster
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#1316966 - 06/21/07 11:38 AM
Re: Is it a crime to tell the truth?
[Re: Mitchell Lee]
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Journeyman
Registered: 09/27/06
Posts: 96
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LOL its hard to find any woman worth much around here they all leave if there worth keeping around. if you can find one worth it thats a good thing but often times theres no hope for finding anything decent around here.
Women around here are like the pot you find around here crap thats only halfway there and if you find anything worth smokeing and bragging about it's ussualy only a joint or three.
I don't think this kind of talk is good for the debate, the situation or the cause. How do we go from fighting rural Sask's need to be better educated to saying the wonderful women of my great province are nothing more than old roaches to be tossed away after they're smoked.
Let's stick to the issue at hand and end the sexist bullshit. The women (and men for that matter) in Wawota have lots to learn, but at least now they have someone to look up to for their knowledge in Ms. Euler and her two sons. Let's help continue their education process, even if in some cases, we're 70 or 80 years too late!
Courage, my friends..it's not too late to build a better world.
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I don't think the story is going to die just yet. Hopefully these new developments will send it around once more.
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