i believe in an infinite source. scientists know now that at the basic level, everything is the same. meaning everything is made up of the same sub-atomic particles. really its just energy. matter is just dense energy. even a rock gives off subtle electric vibrations.

which might be why it doesn't matter what you worship, the act of worship seems to be more important in altering consciousness

mono, you should watch all of these, its 3 hours all together, but its fucking incredible.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

Ha ha you say man created God i have to laugh at you sometimes skitzo you think you know everything but know nothing about this subject,you have become like a broken record,i have noticed that whenever a debate is going against you,you try to insult the other people down.You think you are analysing me from my writing and from the intended insults you have fired i think you need to read again.I am not a kid and know your games and did before they even began.And now your on about the clergy,i suppose you will bring up molesting,well i think its disgusting and no excuse or apologies justify it,but is it not right that out of every 1,000 people no matter what the occupation has the same percentage of perpetrators,so should the good people be painted with the same brush as the rest?As to clergy living off peoples money,you must not have ever met a monk or member of a religious order,for 95% of them take a vow of poverty,and its a fact for i have seen it with my own eyes.I'm glad to hear you enjoyed yourself at the cup,thats a freedom we all want,but i will say again your interpretation of freedom and mine are different on a massive scale,sometimes i think some you are polititions,and i would paint them with the same brush as the molestors,they have raped us of our freedom.

skitzo has never opened a Bible but he is some kind of expert on it. I guess other people who have never read the Bible might agree with him. Everybody that understands the subject knows that the Bible originated with the Jewish people. If I started blasting Muslims and the quran without reading it then I would be an idiot like skitzo. It's just childish trolling in my opinion and divil is wasting his time trying to reason with him.

like I said, I believe there is no difference worshiping the Bible or worshiping the Torah. the act of worship itself is much more important. i don't believe we live in the Universe, i believe the Universe lives within us.

although it is very interesting to study the physical laws of the universe as we know them.

Only nonbelievers think Christians can't smoke pot. Any Christian that reads their Bible knows they can.

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skitzo has never opened a Bible but he is some kind of expert on it. I guess other people who have never read the Bible might agree with him. Everybody that understands the subject knows that the Bible originated with the Jewish people. If I started blasting Muslims and the quran without reading it then I would be an idiot like skitzo. It's just childish trolling in my opinion and divil is wasting his time trying to reason with him.

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well melloweedman...how sure are you that i havent read the bible? that is an extremely stupid thing to do especially in a debate...you dont just go and pull info out of your ass like that...i have read the bible, i have one right next to me...and i have been read and debated about the quran also..( no i havent read it myself, because a translation out of arabic is VERY sloppy, just like one out of hebrew to greek to english

and divil, i was not insulting you or putting you down, so dont take things so personally...

and i am against the clergy they are the ones telling you what god said and what he did, and what you can and cant do...you just think god is telling them...there is no god, so i cant have beef with god, there are men toying with your emotions and wants for an afterlife, so i cant hold it against them.

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As to clergy living off peoples money,you must not have ever met a monk or member of a religious order,for 95% of them take a vow of poverty,and its a fact for i have seen it with my own eyes.

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that is probably the dumbest thing you have said so far...i could go find pictures all over the internet of men in the clergies homes, or cars....i can also tell you i have an uncle who is the head of a protestant church, and they have given him a huge house, 2 cars for him and his wife, computers, internet, and countles vacations...

i know you cant paint the whole religion with one brish based on what some people do, but then you cant paint it with one brush about the good people, there is not one brush, because its not perfect...its a man made belief, not based on any evidence or proof.

you are not free, if you are worshiping and obeying the demands of an invisible being that no one knows exists...but hey as long as you are only following the good passages out of the bible go crazy...just use your evolved sense of morals to pick and choose the correct morals out of the bible.

You are against the clergy,well thats fair enough but we are on about different clergy.You talk of men who tell you what can and can't do,play with peoples emotions and still get gave big houses,cars,pc's and vacations,well that to me is a form of a job like a politition,i am talking about the religious orders who live in monastories,who take vows like poverty so i don't think what i said was dumb.And as i said before,i respect a person who practices what they preach i have no time for the hypocrites who run their mouths off telling people how to live their lives and living their own the opposite way,you have read the bible so you will remember it says they shall be known by the fruit they bear.And i am free you've heard the song sitting watching the wheels go by.

i for sure have heard tat song, john lennon is one of my favourite artists, and idols.

the first clergyman, was the first rascal who met the first fool - Voltaire.