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#1308138 - 05/29/07 08:59 PM Re: Big Bat ** [Re: fourwayj]
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#1308139 - 05/29/07 09:00 PM Re: Jesus can save your ass [Re: chrisbennett]
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lol, I was half-expecting that type of answer. You can say all you want about me, if that's what you want to believe.
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#1308140 - 05/29/07 09:03 PM Re: Jesus can save your ass [Re: fourwayj]
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That was to Antipas' previous post. Look at names in the responses.
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#1308141 - 05/29/07 09:07 PM Re: Jesus can save your ass [Re: chrisbennett]
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Well I just don't believe it's right that you mock the being behind the book but use it as a positive in your efforts, all I'm saying.
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#1308142 - 05/29/07 09:15 PM Re: Jesus can save your ass [Re: fourwayj]
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I like Jesus, but he is not my salvation, I am.
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#1308143 - 05/29/07 10:09 PM Re: Big Bat [Re: rtav]
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by a natural world view i basically meant Humanistic naturalism...

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Humanistic naturalism is the branch of philosophical naturalism wherein human beings are best able to control and understand the world through use of the scientific method. Concepts of spirituality, intuition, and metaphysics are not pursued because they are unfalsifiable, and therefore can never progress beyond personal opinion. A boundary is not drawn between nature and what lies "beyond" nature; everything is regarded as a result of explainable processes within nature, with nothing lying outside of it.

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It unsound to believe that there can be infinitely many of something when our direct experience is that things are made of stuff and that there is a finite amount of stuff.



what about time? there might be an infinite amount of time...maybe not in this universe but in general....there will always have to be and always will be something....i assume...(pretty big assumption lol) its just impossible to think that there could be nothing...i can imagine me being dead and that being nothing...but the universe and whats outside it will still go on...its unfathomable to see it just stop, or end.
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#1308144 - 05/30/07 12:57 AM Re: Big Bat [Re: chrisbennett]
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Useful trades are great, but have less impact on our understanding of the Universe that what Steven Hawkings has to offer.



Mmm, understanding. Tastes like chicken! Understanding is a "dessert", it tastes good after you've had a full meal, but it is not at all a complete substitute, nor does it really make sense except with the meal.

People like Stephen Hawking are expendable. Farmers are not. We could have a perfectly functional earth with no stephen hawkings. We could not have a perfectly functional earth with no farmers, masons, seamstresses, cooks, janitors, plumbers, etc.

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In fact your comments on Hawkings, who has managed to become one of the world's greatest minds from a very crippled state, show both your youthful arrogance and ignorance.



I never said he didn't have a "great mind". I said that his "Great mind", no matter how great it is, isn't attached to a "Great body" that can produce food. Great Minds are great, but they only happen because of stomachs full of food! I'm ignorant because I'm aware that food is a necessity and "Great Minds" are a luxury?

"If people should ever start to do only what is necessary millions would die of hunger."
--Lichtenberg

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If you accomplish one one hundredth of what Hawkings has done in his life, then you will gain my respect



What, exactly, has he accomplished? How many people has he fed? How many useful technologies for solving real problems have his theories generated?

"After receiving his B.A. degree at Oxford University in 1962, he stayed to study astronomy, deciding to leave when he found that studying sunspots, which was all the observatory was equipped for, did not appeal to him and that he was more interested in theory than in observation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_hawking
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(immature/irrelevant ad-homs almost totally ignored, except for this little comment about ignoring them!)


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#1308145 - 05/30/07 01:03 AM Re: Big Bat [Re: skitzo420]
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everything is regarded as a result of explainable processes within nature, with nothing lying outside of it.



Presumably "humanistic naturalism" is part of the set of everything, so it explains itself away in terms of simpler constituent natural processes.

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what about time? there might be an infinite amount of time...maybe not in this universe but in general....there will always have to be and always will be something....i assume...(pretty big assumption lol) its just impossible to think that there could be nothing...i can imagine me being dead and that being nothing...but the universe and whats outside it will still go on...its unfathomable to see it just stop, or end.



Well, this depends on what you think "time" is. Time as a perceived thing will certainly exist no longer than the nervous systems capable of perceiving it. Maybe we should start a new thread to discuss what time is, as this one is getting sort of off-topic.

I want Antipas to continue being zany.
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#1308146 - 05/30/07 03:15 AM Re: Jesus can save your ass [Re: chrisbennett]
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You seem to be using jesus and the bible as your earthly salvation,own gain,maybe i'm wrong but if all your research started from the bible 17years ago and you say the bible is false then what is your books research based on fact or fiction?

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#1308147 - 05/30/07 03:57 AM Re: truth hunting or soul fishing [Re: tbud]
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Tbud i like reading your posts aswell .

Brothers search and live in the quickening of the SPIRIT.

Love is a gift as is life and rember no one wins if no one is right.As for the carnility of the flesh all hot heads will swell.

The nets will be cast only on the right side.

To my brethern see ya at the shores and shower in the fruits of the SPIRIT.

Smoke signals work better for many to see the signs but the ones with smoke in their eyes see nothing.

Keep the light on and thy feet will never surender to vanity and trinkets of man.
Peace and love

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