Made up boyfriend, huh?

not smart. What's that you got in your mouth there???

Check it out. You either believe it or you don't. It's pretty clear though, that there is a false image in your world view concerning Christ. And I know why; a lifetime of condemnation, with no salvation. There's no salvation in the Church, the salvation is in Christ.

If you don't come through the door, your nothing but a theif and a robber. And your conscience bears witness and conviction.

get off the tightrope, and get your feet back on the ROCK.

It's Time.

I can't even use my imagination. this is messed up. It's like the devil knew my defense against negativity and sabotaged it.

I'm pretty sure the message in the bible, is "CHOOSE FREELY, CHOOSE WISELY" . By that logic, those who FORCE others to "be good", are in fact "evil people".

We're all guilty of the same things.

The idea behind going to Church is to help lift one another up, but unfortunately, judgement gets in, and people start thinking "don't bring me down". That spirit of persuasion does not come from the Lord, the Lord has not given us a spirit of fear. He's given us power, and love, and a sound mind.

But there's no question about it. It's the Brazen bull. You guys all reject God because of the hypocrisy in the Church. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing (with the hope that you overcome), I'm just saying it's observable. THe Bible teaches a principle; it's good to examine yourself before you try to lift others up; you might find yourself hurting your best friend.

I don't mean to be insulting or doubtful of what you guys are saying, I just believe a little different. And when I study the Bible, and look around, even here, I am reminded that I believe and know Truth. His name is Jesus.


I'm gonna go smoke. Check out this Bible passage. It's about what Jesus did for us on the cross. It's a good example for anyone who wants to be "Christ-Like"
We have peace with God.

for whatever it's worth, here it is;





Who would have believed what we just heard? When was the LORD's power revealed through him? He sprouted up like a twig before God, like a root out of parched soil; he had no stately form or majesty that might catch our attention, no special appearance that we should want to follow him. He was despised and rejected by people, one who experienced pain and was acquainted with illness; people hid their faces from him; he was despised, and we considered him insignificant.

But he lifted up our illnesses, he carried our pain; even though we thought he was being punished, attacked by God, and afflicted for something he had done. He was wounded because of our rebellious deeds, crushed because of our sins; he endured punishment that made us well; because of his wounds we have been healed.

All of us had wandered off like sheep; each of us had strayed off on his own path, but the LORD caused the sin of all of us to attack him. He was treated harshly and afflicted, but he did not even open his mouth.

Like a lamb led to the slaughtering block, like a sheep silent before her shearers,
he did not even open his mouth.

He was led away after an unjust trial — but who even cared? Indeed, he was cut off from the land of the living; because of the rebellion of his own people he was wounded.

They intended to bury him with criminals, but he ended up in a rich man's tomb, because he had committed no violent deeds, nor had he spoken deceitfully.

Though the LORD desired to crush him and make him ill, once restitution is made, he will see descendants and enjoy long life, and the LORD's purpose will be accomplished through him.

Having suffered, he will reflect on his work, he will be satisfied when he understands what he has done.

"My servant will acquit many, for he carried their sins. So I will assign him a portion with the multitudes, he will divide the spoils of victory with the powerful, because he willingly submitted to death and was numbered with the rebels, when he lifted up the sin of many and intervened on behalf of the rebels."

Quote:

---

But there's no question about it. It's the Brazen bull. You guys all reject God because of the hypocrisy in the Church. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing (with the hope that you overcome), I'm just saying it's observable. THe Bible teaches a principle; it's good to examine yourself before you try to lift others up; you might find yourself hurting your best friend.

---

no no no no...of course the church has done evil things and religion is one of the biggest causes of evil, but that is not my problem with it...i know plenty of atheists that were evil people through out history...thats the thing we are all people and will all have vices, usually greed...be it for money, power...etc...

the problem I have with religion is everything it basis it self on is IMAGINARY.

the bible is nothing divine, it is a book that was written YEARS after the stories in it take place, and the stories by one person dont match the same ones by another person accurately enough to be taken serious....not to mention all the geographical, anthropological, and moral errors in it, that were completely normal for that time period.

I have an interest for truth, i dont like people believing in things that arent true and then voting based on those beliefs, and effecting my life....and i dont want them brainwashing and psychologically abusing their children with the ideas of hell and eternal torment if they dont submit complete faith in some magical man in the sky, that defies all logic....kids arent old enough to decide whether they are right wing, left wing, communist, socialist, utilitarian, anything...how do you expect them to already have their decision made about the cosmos?

no man, its not the atrocities carried out in its name...its the fact that its not real, it goes against science. Science (unlike faith) refers to a system of acquiring knowledge (where faith already claims to have the knowledge, now they have to search for their bits of proof....). This system uses observation and experimentation to describe and explain natural phenomena. The term science also refers to the organized body of knowledge people have gained using that system....

kind of understand now??

skitzo420, are you against vision quests?

Yeah, sorry, I rejected "god" and the "church" long before I took my classes in Philosophy, and metaphysics, and history of religion/ western and eastern. And here's a really hard thing for you to understand but try to pay attention pas: If we think the bible, and belief in a "higher power" is bullshit, all the "here read this passage in the bible" isn't going to convince us of anything except you are a raving loon. Raving loon, because you keep typing this: "one has to believe for the bible to make sense". Then you "realize" we don't believe, and give us BIBLE PASSAGES to convince us. Circular illogic, actually. Logic says that A=A. That means, Imaginary friends = Raving loon. Mikey Evans, still in the peanut gallery, counting the nuts.

Quote:

---

For future reference, Mr. Righteous, it is rather rude to show up somewhere and start telling people how they should think and act. It's pretty obvious you joined this forum for one reason: To proselytize your faith

---

in all fairness, he did just make this thread to ask whether anyone thought his pamphlets would help the cause....

i believe it will help a few religious people, but as i know, you cant change a religious persons mind about something they have been indoctrinated with very easily...

my problem is i dont like to use religion to argue for marijuana, because religion is solid fact, so how do we base any of our arguments on it?

its not just you, i also have a problem with the church of the universe thing, because they are using religion to argue for marijuana....its just baseless.

no klos im not against, looking withing yourself for answers about yourself, but i think you would be wasting your time to try and see the future or something like that.

i have said before, the mind is intense, and i know meditation can do some crazy shit.

the problem I have with religion is everything it basis it self on is IMAGINARY


Our past and future are captured by our imaginations. Scientists and mathematicians imagine the universe was created 15 billion years ago. And really, given the limitations of the Genesis account, I don’t see any real reason to dispute that. It’s an observable truth. Can it be reproduced in a lab? No. But if they had to guess based on the info they gathered, they’d say it appears about 15 billion years.

If I had to guess, I’d say that even though I don’t see the pattern in PI, I know there’s gotta be a pattern there, cause I can draw a circle.

If I had to guess, even though I can’t prove a Creator exists, I know there’s gotta be a Creator, cause I exist.

It defies every logical thought to suggest that life and existence just “happened”. Do you see what I’m getting at? Nothing plus nothing equals nothing. How did we wind up with something? It’s foundational.



and effecting my life....and i dont want them brainwashing and psychologically abusing their children with the ideas of hell and eternal torment if they dont submit complete faith in some magical man in the sky, that defies all logic..

Church didn’t try to brainwash me. Public School did. Concerning the Family, Church is the closest, strongest family I got. And the Devil just kidnapped out Pastor!

Wake up.



This system uses observation and experimentation to describe and explain natural phenomena. The term science also refers to the organized body of knowledge people have gained using that system....

How does Science explain the effects of music on the human being?
Jerry was always spiritual.




If we think the bible, and belief in a "higher power" is bullshit, all the "here read this passage in the bible" isn't going to convince us of anything except you are a raving loon

Raving loon is generally what I get from Church when they find out I think pot should be legal.
Maybe that’s why I’m here. Maybe that’s why I try.
Thanks




because religion is solid fact, so how do we base any of our arguments on it?


Truth is Truth. We shouldn’t have to argue. That’s why I put the Bible verses up. They’re True. I know they’re Living Breathing Words. I know that, whether you believe in Jesus or not, the principles are still Truth, and if you’re really after Truth, that passage will profit you. Everyone.

That passage is us. Think about it.

Why do you suffer for the cause? What profit is it to you truly. You smoke it anyway legal or not. Why do you suffer for the righteous cause?

It tells me God’s got a law written on your heart. Something science cannot yet explain, but the Apostle Paul communicated quite well.

It's the Spirit of Christ.