here's a link to the Bible you want to read from. If there are any variants in the MSS they are given in the translators's notes.
http://net.bible.org/bible.php

the thing about Christ is that He is a True, Historical figure. He has influenced the course of humanity and the thoughts and world views of man unlike any other. Literally, I am a person of "His" Book, and there's millions like me (except they don't smoke pot). Coming to the table with that "scientific" hermeneutic, you can begin to appreciate why so many people believe He is God revealed to us, "Emmanuel", God with us.

the Gospel message has carried me through some of the roughest moments of my life, and I'm not the only one with that similar testimony. And I'm talking a Real, True testimony of a saved life. I believe it is life that I share when I can give understanding of Christ to people.

If you feel like reading the Bible, I would suggest reading Romans 1-5. It's written for us.

also, there's an excellent Christian Theology program at http://www.bible.org if you sincerely want to understand the basics of the Christian Faith, enough to where you can stand in it if you want to, go through it, it's pretty good.
you gotta not be offended though, there's a few shots at "liberals" and so forth, but the theology is right.

the Apostle John wrote something at the begining of one of his letters

"This is what we proclaim to you: what was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and our hands have touched..."

these Apostles all believed they saw God. Insanity to say the least, looney bin for ALL of them. They saw God. They walked with God.


Love is at the heart of the Gospel message, and you really kinda have to search it out for yourself before you can Truly see it. In a world full of hate and murderous thoughts, it's hard to see the Love of God for us anywhere.


God Bless You,

Saint Antipas Lucas
I have a joint. And I heal toothaches.

The Bible and the truth on Ethnogens

People of the theory claim that in Exodus 30:23, "calamus" was actually "kineboisin" - which is a Hebrew word for cannabis, or marijuana. Even some (non-drug using?) Hebrew etymologists (language experts who study the origin of words) have suggested it. With this quote which I took from a confused , ignorant (Not Aware), Minister, I did some studying which I found fairly easy with things being at our fingertips and did some cross referencing; this is what I found in a day. ( I am Spiritual so this just strengthens my beliefs and I ask any of you with time to check it out yourselves.)

Some bible's are different they change the first description Sweet to fragrance Calamus and sometimes change Calamus to Cane. I found 5 instances in the BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions and 50 languages.. here you can find about 20 Bible's to cross reference.

1. Exodus 30:23
"Take the following fine spices: 500 shekels of liquid myrrh, half as much (that is, 250 shekels) of fragrant cinnamon, 250 shekels of fragrant calamus,
Exodus 30:22-24 (in Context) Exodus 30 (Whole Chapter)
2. Song of Solomon 4:14
nard and saffron, calamus and cinnamon, with every kind of incense tree, with myrrh and aloes and all the finest spices.
Song of Solomon 4:13-15 (in Context) Song of Solomon 4 (Whole Chapter)
3. Isaiah 43:24
You have not bought any fragrant calamus for me, or lavished on me the fat of your sacrifices. But you have burdened me with your sins and wearied me with your offenses.
Isaiah 43:23-25 (in Context) Isaiah 43 (Whole Chapter)
4. Jeremiah 6:20
What do I care about incense from Sheba or sweet calamus from a distant land? Your burnt offerings are not acceptable; your sacrifices do not please me."
Jeremiah 6:19-21 (in Context) Jeremiah 6 (Whole Chapter)
5. Ezekiel 27:19
and casks of wine from Izal in exchange for your wares: wrought iron, cassia and calamus.
Ezekiel 27:18-20 (in Context) Ezekiel 27 (Whole Chapter)


That amount on the Cannabis alone was 6 1/4 pounds that was used.
I expanded from their to see how often the anointing Oil that the Cannabis was used in and this is what I found.

1. Exodus 25:6
oil for lighting, spices for the anointing oil and for the fragrant incense,
Exodus 25:5-7 (in Context) Exodus 25 (Whole Chapter)
2. Exodus 29:7
"Then you shall take the anointing oil and pour it on his head and anoint him.
Exodus 29:6-8 (in Context) Exodus 29 (Whole Chapter)
3. Exodus 29:21
"Then you shall take some of the blood that is on the altar and some of the anointing oil, and sprinkle it on Aaron and on his garments and on his sons and on his sons' garments with him; so he and his garments shall be consecrated, as well as his sons and his sons' garments with him.
Exodus 29:20-22 (in Context) Exodus 29 (Whole Chapter)
4. Exodus 30:22
[ The Anointing Oil ] Moreover, the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
Exodus 30:21-23 (in Context) Exodus 30 (Whole Chapter)
5. Exodus 30:25
"You shall make of these a holy anointing oil, a perfume mixture, the work of a perfumer; it shall be a holy anointing oil.
Exodus 30:24-26 (in Context) Exodus 30 (Whole Chapter)
6. Exodus 30:31
"You shall speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'This shall be a holy anointing oil to Me throughout your generations.
Exodus 30:30-32 (in Context) Exodus 30 (Whole Chapter)
7. Exodus 31:11
the anointing oil also, and the fragrant incense for the holy place, they are to make them according to all that I have commanded you."
Exodus 31:10-12 (in Context) Exodus 31 (Whole Chapter)
8. Exodus 35:8
and oil for lighting, and spices for the anointing oil, and for the fragrant incense,
Exodus 35:7-9 (in Context) Exodus 35 (Whole Chapter)
9. Exodus 35:15
and the altar of incense and its poles, and the anointing oil and the fragrant incense, and the screen for the doorway at the entrance of the tabernacle;
Exodus 35:14-16 (in Context) Exodus 35 (Whole Chapter)
10. Exodus 35:28
and the spice and the oil for the light and for the anointing oil and for the fragrant incense.
Exodus 35:27-29 (in Context) Exodus 35 (Whole Chapter)
11. Exodus 37:29
And he made the holy anointing oil and the pure, fragrant incense of spices, the work of a perfumer.
Exodus 37:28-29 (in Context) Exodus 37 (Whole Chapter)
12. Exodus 39:38
and the gold altar, and the anointing oil and the fragrant incense, and the veil for the doorway of the tent;
Exodus 39:37-39 (in Context) Exodus 39 (Whole Chapter)
13. Exodus 40:9
"Then you shall take the anointing oil and anoint the tabernacle and all that is in it, and shall consecrate it and all its furnishings; and it shall be holy.
Exodus 40:8-10 (in Context) Exodus 40 (Whole Chapter)
14. Leviticus 8:2
" Take Aaron and his sons with him, and the garments and the anointing oil and the bull of the sin offering, and the two rams and the basket of unleavened bread,
Leviticus 8:1-3 (in Context) Leviticus 8 (Whole Chapter)
15. Leviticus 8:10
Moses then took the anointing oil and anointed the tabernacle and all that was in it, and consecrated them.
Leviticus 8:9-11 (in Context) Leviticus 8 (Whole Chapter)
16. Leviticus 8:12
Then he poured some of the anointing oil on Aaron's head and anointed him, to consecrate him.
Leviticus 8:11-13 (in Context) Leviticus 8 (Whole Chapter)
17. Leviticus 8:30
So Moses took some of the anointing oil and some of the blood which was on the altar and sprinkled it on Aaron, on his garments, on his sons, and on the garments of his sons with him; and he consecrated Aaron, his garments, and his sons, and the garments of his sons with him.
Leviticus 8:29-31 (in Context) Leviticus 8 (Whole Chapter)
18. Leviticus 10:7
"You shall not even go out from the doorway of the tent of meeting, or you will die; for the LORD'S anointing oil is upon you." So they did according to the word of Moses.
Leviticus 10:6-8 (in Context) Leviticus 10 (Whole Chapter)
19. Leviticus 21:10
'The priest who is the highest among his brothers, on whose head the anointing oil has been poured and who has been consecrated to wear the garments, shall not uncover his head nor tear his clothes;
Leviticus 21:9-11 (in Context) Leviticus 21 (Whole Chapter)
20. Leviticus 21:12
nor shall he go out of the sanctuary nor profane the sanctuary of his God, for the consecration of the anointing oil of his God is on him; I am the LORD.
Leviticus 21:11-13 (in Context) Leviticus 21 (Whole Chapter)
21. Numbers 4:16
"The responsibility of Eleazar the son of Aaron the priest is the oil for the light and the fragrant incense and the continual grain offering and the anointing oil--the responsibility of all the tabernacle and of all that is in it, with the sanctuary and its furnishings."
Numbers 4:15-17 (in Context) Numbers 4 (Whole Chapter)
22. Ezra 6:9
"Whatever is needed, both young bulls, rams, and lambs for a burnt offering to the God of heaven, and wheat, salt, wine and anointing oil, as the priests in Jerusalem request, it is to be given to them daily without fail,
Ezra 6:8-10 (in Context) Ezra 6 (Whole Chapter)

This next part kinda turned my world upside down a bit, I seen the tree used for different things like the Tabernacle created to please God, the Ark of the Covenant in the Tabernacle which was drenched in Anointing Oil, The Burning Bush that Moses spoke and the Noah's Ark. All of these things were made from the Shittah-tree, except possibly Noah's Ark it is only speculated because they still are not sure.

Shittah-tree[1] is Hebrew for acacia. Acacia albida, Acacia tortilis and Acacia iraqensis can be found growing wild in the Sinai desert and the Jordan valley.
Shittah wood was employed in making the various parts of the Tabernacle and of the Ark of the covenant in the wilderness. It was the acacia or mimosa (Acacia nilotica and A. seyal).
"The wild acacia (Mimosa nilotica), under the name of sunt, everywhere represents the seneh, or senna, of the burning bush. A slightly different form of the tree, equally common under the name of seyal, is the ancient shittah, or, as more usually expressed in the plural form, the shittim, of which the Tabernacle was made."

These are all Ethnogens...

Acacia albida, Acacia tortilis, Acacia nilotica and A. seyal

Maybe we do divine God through Ethnogens.

Faidherbia albida (syn. Acacia albida Delile) is a species of Faidherbia native to Africa and the Middle East, formerly widely included in the genus Acacia.
It contains the psychoactive chemical compound dimethyltryptamine in its leaves.[6]

Umbrella Thorn Acacia (Acacia tortilis) also known as an Israeli Babool, as well as the "Burning Bush" of the Israelites and Egyptians, is a medium to large canoped tree native primarily to the savannahs of Africa (especially Sudan), but also occurring in the Middle East.
DMT, NMT, and other tryptamines.

Acacia nilotica (Thorn mimosa) is a species of Acacia (wattle) native to Africa and the Indian subcontinent; Scented Thorn Acacia is native from Egypt south to Mozambique and Natal through to Pakistan, India and Burma
DMT, in the leaf.

Red acacia (Acacia seyal; also known as Shittim wood or Shittim tree) is a thorny, 6-10 m (20-30 ft) high tree with a greenish or reddish bark.
It is distributed from Egypt to Kenya and west Senegal. In the Sahara, it often grows in damp valleys.
DMT, in the leaf.18 Ether extracts about 1-7% of the dried leaf mass.

So here we are with this new knowledge that might change minds I hope it doesn't turn you away from God.

One more thing the information I looked up within a couple days changed and some hidden a little. Is their another power at work?
The Acacia Seyal was removed from a list Wikipedia uses which was there 2 days ago. I still found the exact list with the pictures that Wikipedia was using but for some reason Wikipedia took it out of their used list. When you look up the trees in wikipedia only one directly states it has DMT the Acacia albida, all the others the info is not listed about it's effects. I wonder if the big R.C.C. is at work hidding info.

I haven't found this info on their sites to double check but this is the new possible truth on Frankincense, also used in the rituals everywhere.
Wikipedia
As of May 2008 FASBE Journal announced that Johns Hopkins University and the Hebrew University of Jerusalem have determined that frankincense smoke is a psychoactive drug that relieves depression and anxiety in mice.[3] The researchers found that the chemical compound incensole acetate is responsible for the effects.

Well thats a lot of psychoactive drugs in the bible and I'm only in the Old Testament...
I don't think God minds at all, if anything it may be the true way to divine the Almighty's presence.

Please check again and correct me, I don't mind accurate info at all..

Covey WhiteGold

Peace and Pot

there's about 200 different plant specie native to Israel.


the best thing the kaneh argument has going for it is that calamus doesn't grow ten feet tall. the Bible uses the word in that context.

but physical evidence is still lacking and mis-translation is not an effective argument

What about the ethenogenes I found isn't that weird..
I've always believed but have been confused with any and every church's doctrine. I decided to read myself and find out.

Maybe Moses was really divining god with Ethenogenes, they all seem to exist in these area's. Non addictive but total strong equivalent with Peyote and the licking toad and something else I'm not sure what.

How about free will, does that not mean that God placed a rule on everything including himself. I mean if we have Free Will then he shouldn't want to effect you on a physical level directly because that would affect his greatest Law. So, maybe he talks through us as a guidance in our conscious and uses angels for messages. That might mean Jesus new he was special but was as one of us until the Holy Anointing Oil and baptism. Then God divined all that he knows so Jesus was almost as I am and granted abilities through incredible knowledge..Like knowing his existence would be cut short but new he had no choice no matter how much he loved life their was a purpose.. Sorry another epiphany I had..and there's more..

1. Alexandrian Philosophy:

Alexandrian philosophy endeavored to unite Greek philosophy and Hebrew religion. Philo, the great Jewish commentator of Alexandria, had tried to interpret the ancient Jewish Scriptures by the aid of the Greek philosophy, to expound the Old Testament in terms of Plato's thought and to discover allegorical meanings where none were intended. In Philo's teaching there is a sharp line drawn between God and the material world: with him God cannot exert any action upon the world of matter, except through intermediate agency, the Jewish angels and the heathen demons. Philo has much to say in regard to the Logos. His utterances on this subject may be compared with what is said of the attributes of "Wisdom" in chapter 8 of the Book of Prov, and also with the Logos or "Word" of the Gospel of John. With Philo, the Logos is the power of God, or the Divine reason endowed with energy, and embracing within itself all subordinate powers. The Logos is impersonal in its relations to God; and herein is one huge difference between Philo's conception and that in the gospel. Philo teaches that the Logos is the only firstborn of God, the chief of the angels, the viceroy of God, and representative of man.
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Here's a word study to file in the back of your mind, it's info will be useful someday


"shambles" or "meat market"
Strongs 3111 3111 makellon mak'-el-lon of Latin origin (macellum); a butcher's stall, meat market or provision-shop:--shambles.
(can‘t type the Greek or Hebrew, replaced each word with a number.)


3111 subst. neuter of the adj. (2), is obviously a Jewish term for (3) or the rare (4). It denotes the meat which derives from heathen sacrifices, though without the intolerable implication of the sanctity of what is offered to heathen gods, or the divinity of these gods (5). The heathen in 1 C. 10:28 refers to (3), while Paul uses (3111). The term is first found in 4Macc 5:2. It does not occur in Josephus. In secular Gk. It is as rare as (6) in the sense of an idol. The Rabbinic words are (H1), sacrafice to the dead, and (H2), sacrafice in honor of unreal entities.

Jews were forbidden to eat flesh sacrificed to idols. They were also forbidden to trade in it. It defiled like a corpse if one came into contact with it in an enclosed space. To force a Jew to eat it was to enforce apostasy. The reference was not to the flesh which went into the Temple, but to that which came out. The strict prohibition reflects the resolute resistance of Judaism to any kind of religious syncretism. It’s basis, namely, that the flesh is offered to the dead or to unreal entities, shows that it is primarily religious. It rests on a strict application of the First Commandment and not on superstition, fear of spirits, etc.


(ONDCP 'Teaching Your Children Idolatry Since 1988')

Paul will allow the enjoyment of (3111) apart from the cultic act itself (1C. 10:14-22) and so long as it does not violate the law of love (8:1-13). In this connection he appeals (10:26) to Ps.24:1. He can take this attitude only because Faith has overcome Jewish legalism from within.

In the Apostolic decree of Acts 15:29; 21:25, and in Rev. 2:14,20, we do not have full freedom from legalism. Among the Nicolaitans the desire to eat meat sacrificed to idols is an expression of Libertinism, i.e., of complete renunciation of any commitment to the will of God, as may be seen from their general licentiousness. The same is probably true of Paul’s opponents at Corinth.

TDNT II:378-379

Stumble

The Phrase ( ) does not fit too smoothly into the use of (1) (and (2)) elsewhere in Paul. The (3) here certainly denotes the accompanying circumstance (cf. 2C. 2:4 and Gl. 4:13). The subject of the whole section is faith and conscience (753, 9 ff). Hence there are two possibilities of interpretation. 1. The reference may be to falling in faith; this takes place when a man acts contrary to his conviction and thus betrays it. In this case one should translate: “it is bad for a man if he eats and offends his conscience by his act.” ie. “with a disturbed, resisting, bad conscience.” On the first interpretation (1) corresponds almost exactly to the (2) of the next verse (verse 21). But the second is more accurate, for in this context Paul seems to have the cleavage between conduct and conscience in view in his use of (3) Verse 1 and (4) verse 23 (III, 947, 27 ff). (3) (5) in verse 20 is thus very close to the sense of (6) in verse 23. In both the same cleavage is in view as in R. 2:15, which is again dealing with the witness of conscience. In the passage 1C.8 and 10, which are in part parallel to R.14 even in detailed argument. Paul frequently refers to the distress of conscience suffered by the weak, 8:7, 10, 12; 10:27 ff. What he means by (3) (5) in R.14:20 corresponds in some sense to the (7) or (8) of (9) in 1C. 8:12, 7. If the meaning of (1) in verse 20 diverges from that in v.13 or the meaning of (2) in verse 21, this is in keeping with Paul’s habits of speech. He can use the same word in two quite different senses in the same passage and even sometimes in the same verse, (10) in Rev.14:13

b. the probable thought of R.14:20 is undoubtedly present in Ac. 24:16; (phrase). A (11) (12) is either “a conscience which takes no offence” at one’s own actions, “a quiet or clear conscience before God and man”, or it is “a conscience which suffers no hurt” through one’s acts, “an unharmed conscience.” Either way the sense is close to that of (11) (13) in Acts 23:1 or (14) (11) in 2Tm. 1:3. Whether one may rightly say that the theology of a good conscience is a sign of lateness here is very doubtful in view of the genuine concern of Paul for conscience in 1C. 8 and R.14 lines 2 ff.; 753, 19 ff.


(TDNT)

"This is what we proclaim to you: what was from the beginning"

And that begining is GENESIS...and they believed God gave them every green plant and seed and creature...I give you everything Genesis 9:3.

it is of this begining they are speaking about!

And when you follow the words of instruction Genesis 2:15 using all seed, and being sinless...you too will see God, when sowing and restoring Eden.

Sinlessly sowing Eden into the world...is part in part our designers wish for us.
For he made Mankind to Tend and keep the Garden.

Now who is removing the gifts God Gave us to restore that image of Eden, and making something clean, be defiled by lies?

Draw your lines well..
Feed the Birds Good seed...and they will be healthy and not spread sickness...remove the seed, and you cause chaos in the chain of life...and sickness becomes ramped in the lands.

See God's word, it trust worthy and true!
Now look who is making Marijuana have a bad name..and call em out for judgment!

Oh look they are making war with marijuana and poppy growers in Afghanistan...painting them criminals, warlords, and terrorists...now...Does the liar ever stop?....NO!
Who would of thunk it?
The delusion of Money has bent their minds to slaughtering God's people...innocent mountain herders of sheep and growers of Marijuana and flowers of poppies...
Again the devil the liar, and the bent law changing something God said was good...into something bad...and then killing the people who have it, or grow it, and profit off the proceeds...by taking what they own away....When it was God who gave it to them to grow!...

Its all wrong...only one way to change the error no one believes is an error...Get rid of the liars and those who believe in the lies!

Same measure given , for the same measure imposed!

Your Nation wants a war on Drugs...I'll call my Friend God to fight for me!

And Canada will feel the sting!...and the Queen will feel the Flood of shame!

More woe please on them Evil doers!

Sir Les

so many people stumble in the Faith because of the Church's blind alignment with the Governments war on pot smokers.


if we stumble, we can pray and take comfort singing "drink even you and stumble! the LORD's got a Cup in His Right Hand, and it is coming to you!

(Romans 14, Revelation 2:14-17, Habakkuk 2)