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#1307828 - 05/07/07 05:38 PM Jesus Loves Potheads Too! **
Antipas Offline
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I got some new tri-folds made today. The Lord blessed me by getting the guy at the printshop too stoned at lunchtime, and he cut about 1/8 inch off the top lettering. So he made new ones and gave me the other stack for free. So I got twice the handouts than what I expected. I think Holy Spirit really wants me to get the message out. anyways, the following is the content, let me know what you think:


Jesus
Loves
Potheads
Too!

Groundwork for the Christian faith and the use of cannabis.



Mankind has used cannabis forever. The versatility of cannabis as a protein, fiber, and oil made it an obvious choice for “Adam” to be the first seed to sow. The earliest artifacts of human industry available to the 21st century are pieces of hemp cloth. The ancients were also kind enough to leave us 4000 years worth of medical history. It is not a far-fetched argument to suggest cannabis has a place in virtually every culture in history. But there are many who feel the impact of cannabis on society is negative.
So who’s right?

What Is Truth?


This is the question that unites all Faiths, and divides all Faiths. Christians universally believe that Jesus is God. Arguably, we have three methods of obtaining Truth; Scripture, our Traditions, and right-reason:



Scripture: We have a collection of books that were written by about 40 people from all walks of life, on three different continents, in three different languages, during a period of (what we can best guess) about 1600 years. We believe these books, all together, can bear witness of the Truth, by itself, and within itself, that Jesus is God, taken the form of a man. Christians believe that the autograph manuscripts of these books were all “God- breathed”. 100% man, 100% God, The Bible is our final infallible source of Truth.


Tradition: Jesus picked twelve men to walk with Him during His earthly ministry. These men were eyewitnesses to the resurrection. They made disciples of others, and so forth. In example, Jesus had a Disciple named John. John had a disciple named Polycarp. Polycarp had a disciple named Irenaeus, Etc.
Our traditions are a highly useful source of Truth, but are fallible. Ultimately our Traditions are just another Christian’s take on the Word, not the Word itself. Useful, but not an authority like the Bible. Anytime our Traditions contradict the Bible, The Bible gets believed. Some argue they never contradict. Some know better.


Right Reason: This is the most fallible method of obtaining Truth a Christian can use. It’s when we make decisions based on our own intelligence and knowledge. It’s when we bring all our cultural baggage and presuppositions and false images to the table when we make decisions. It’s useful probably only when we’re studying the Scripture, and is generally responsible for the contradictions in our Traditions.






The Use of Cannabis and Right Reason

One can find a number of “right reasons” both to use cannabis and to not use cannabis. Right reason is where we get the contradictions, remember?
If a guy is going blind, and using cannabis can prevent that from happening, that’s a right-reason to use cannabis.
If using cannabis is going to make a guy kill somebody or die, than that’s a right reason to not use cannabis.
Right reason cannot give us an absolute answer of the Truth. Right- reason is relative to the beliefs of such- said “thinker”. We can “right-reason” it however we want, to whatever end we want. That’s why it’s so fallible.





Supporting Scriptures

The Brazen Bull


Mat 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 1Ti 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Rev 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; Rev 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.




Supporting Traditions

Saint Antipas is referred to in the Book of Revelation as the "faithful martyr" of Pergamos. In Orthodox tradition, John the Apostle ordained Antipas as bishop of the city during the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian. Per the legend, Antipas was martyred in ca. 92 AD by burning in a brazen bull-shaped altar for casting out demons worshipped by the local population.

The Brazen Bull is an execution device designed in ancient Greece.
Perillos of Athens, a brass-founder, proposed to Phalaris, Tyrant of Agrigentum, the invention of a new means for executing criminals; accordingly, he cast a brazen bull, made totally of brass, hollow, with a door in the side. The victim was shut up in the bull and a fire was set under it, heating the metal until it became "red hot" and causing the victim inside to slowly roast to death.
So that nothing unseemly might spoil his feasting, Phalaris commanded that the bull be designed in such a way that its smoke rose in spicy clouds of incense. The head of the ox was supplied by a complex system of tubes and stops so that the prisoner's screams were converted into sounds like the bellowing of an infuriated ox. It is also said that when the bull was reopened, the victims' scorched bones shone like jewels and were made into bracelets.


The Brazen bull is a metaphor for tyranny.






Right Reason
What can I say? We all want to know the Truth. I believe in Jesus, and I smoke pot. Christian as I am, and by the laws of man, a criminal. Here’s my right reason:
There is no Biblical justification to pot prohibition. In fact, it is expressly forbidden by Holy Spirit. Says devils make us think that way. It is NOT a question of interpretation; it’s a question of whether or not you truly believe the Word of God is True.
I cannot effectively communicate why faith in Christ has made me free. We’re not justified by the good things we do, or bad things we don’t do; if you just love Jesus, and make Him a part of your life, He sets you free. He truly sets you free.
Any Christian that says smoking pot is a sin is not following the Word of God, They’re giving you their right-reason to not smoke pot. Remember, the Word of God is True, and it specifically warns us about the principles applied in prohibition. It’s a high place, and will certainly fall in the Light of the Glory of God.
There’s only one way to find the peace of mind, and clear-conscience of knowing the absolute Truth about this issue. Read the Bible and discern for yourself. You will see what I’m talking about, And you will be set free and set apart by the Lord Jesus.
Twice The Lord told His Disciples “My Words have made you Clean” -And those Words are True, If you believe them. Jesus doesn’t care if you smoke pot, He blessed you with it. It does grieve Him when you make irresponsible decisions that hurt yourself and the people you love. But that comes from you, not the weed. What He really wants is to be a part of your life, and be loved by you.
Pick up the Bible and read it. It’s the best way to get to know Jesus. Start with the four Gospels, because they explain what the rest is about. Trust Holy Spirit to lead you, because a Church can’t save you. The salvation of your soul depends on you and your personal relationship with Jesus. Get to know Him, it’s way more than just being free to smoke pot.


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#1307829 - 05/07/07 07:09 PM Re: Jesus Loves mashed potatoes [Re: Antipas]
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#1307830 - 05/10/07 06:36 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: Antipas]
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Smoking weed and enjoying life is not a sin; never was. God doesn't make mistakes. He gave us medicine plants for a reason. The U.S. Gov't is finding out first hand how expensive it is to correct God's supposed mistakes. It can't be done. It's fruitless to go against nature anyway. There are thousands of soldiers in Afghanistan walking around those mountains killing God's plants. What a waste of time and money. They could at least donate it to some hospitals or something. The plants aren't evil; the governments and churches that want to control what we put into our bodies are the evil ones.

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#1307831 - 05/10/07 08:57 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: melloweedman]
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One of the first things God gives man is "every herb bearing seed" that describes pot.

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#1307832 - 05/10/07 10:47 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: melloweedman]
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Quote:

God doesn't make mistakes.




yeaa.....remember when he "flooded the earth and killed all that was evil"...that was after he created everything and looked down a saw that it was all good...so he must have made a mistake there....oh and not to mention all the body parts that are no longer useful to us but are left over from evolution....he must have forgot to get rid of those right?

stop peddling the whole legalization on the grounds of religion....because people are getting smarter and smarter and realizing that religion doesnt matter...most of what it says is usually wrong....

so dont group marijuana in with it.
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#1307833 - 05/11/07 03:14 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: skitzo420]
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If God would have immediatly killed Adam for not loving his Creator, all that bad stuff wouldn't have happened.

in the free moral economy God was creating, sin was not a necessity, it was a possibility that happened.

Does not the Creator have the right to make one vessel to honor, and another to dishonor? Is He not God? Who are we to judge His ways? Do we know why He put the stars where they are, or by what name He calls them? Don't you know He loves THIS Creation? Don't you know that Jesus loves you? How much? More than the stars!

I may not see the pattern in PI, but I can still draw a circle. I may not know why whales have hip bones, or why there's dinosaur bones, but I know that man came up out of the grave.

I'm a Christian, and I see the hypocrisy. I've got good news! The Body of Christ is getting back to the first Truths that they have forgotten. Don't kid yourself, man. That Bible is WAY real and it is WAY coming True WAY fast.
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#1307834 - 05/11/07 03:53 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: Antipas]
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Quote:

Does not the Creator have the right to make one vessel to honor, and another to dishonor? Is He not God? Who are we to judge His ways? Do we know why He put the stars where they are, or by what name He calls them? Don't you know He loves THIS Creation? Don't you know that Jesus loves you? How much? More than the stars!




yet you claim to be sure he exists even though all scientific evidence exists without resorting to putting god into any equation....

who are we to judge his ways....well who were we to write a book that 144 million americans take literally, and claim it to be the word of god....

a creator itself would require a creator ad infinitum....so who created your god?

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#1307835 - 05/12/07 09:11 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: skitzo420]
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What about the Goddess, She is about love, purity, light, healing, positivity...etc. And She will not condemn you to any sort of hell if you dont follow the old ways. She would not flood the earth to kill mankind unlike the christian god (thus having to start repopulating through incest again) hmmmm well I think I stirred the pot enough!! (for now) Blessed be sweet Shiva!!
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#1307836 - 05/12/07 09:16 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: skitzo420]
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It takes just as much faith, -no. It takes more faith to believe in a big bang, than it does to believe in Jesus. Do you see the pattern in PI that scientists use to calculate the size of the universe? Do they? Even some of the most well educated math and science experts acknowledge God. Our past and future are captured by our imaginations. Your guess and their guess is as good as mine.

We use a scientific method in Hermeneutics, we just don’t have that “antisupernaturalistic bias” that prevents us from acknowledging the One True Creator and the operation of His Hands in existence. And actually, I could work with a big bang theory as long as the “bang” was known as God speaking existence into existence.

There’s no way man could have written those books. I don’t care what anybody says. Except maybe God. And if you ask Him about it, He says He wrote it…
In the beginning was the Word.

I’ll believe a big bang theory before you’ll convince me a man wrote those books. Seriously, let me put up one passage about what Jesus did for us on the cross, and read it and think about it. It’s all God Breathed.

That’s what I’m saying! There can only be One Creator of all created things. It’s like the chicken or egg first thing. That One True God has revealed Himself to us.


All you got to do is look around. The “no God“ thing just doesn’t work. We change in our character, but life is not of random or chance or circumstance. Someone did it.

Why is there something rather than nothing?

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#1307837 - 05/12/07 09:25 PM Re: Jesus Loves Potheads Too! [Re: Antipas]
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What was the christian god before he created the Earth and people? Do you (anyone) think he was alone?

I am not saying he isnt true...(i had gifts of the holy spirit at one time and know he is true with power) but I have learned that there is more than just the christian god...I have felt power from 2 sides....and the second side is not a satanic side ( i take a satanic power as christian being it is from the same teachings)

who wants to get deep in this??
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