Sence your room is square,I wonder if you could make a four sided led panel from floor to ceilling in the center of room and have lights at each shelve?And maybe more panel's mounted on walls behind the plant's? I've heard alot of talk about Led's I personaly not convinced any thing better Eye Hortilux HPS and Hortilux SunMaster MH Cool's. But maybe they are the future. Maybe in the center of the room have a 4x4 post and four light track mounted vertical on each side without hoods?I know light tracks in my flat aeroponic rooms get more light in places stationary light can and nice even growth no hot spot cooler temps.I know Texas your a dumbass HAHa...But maybe new ideas might help.

I too thought LEDs are the way of the future,,,but after alot of research ,,,the LED bulbs have a long way to go still ...

not too mention you cant utilze the 360 vertical effect...

plus everything I have seen from an led... could have been done better with a florecent bulb... and that dont say much at all...

Vertical is the future...

You think (smokindago),you haven't been researching our hands on researching buy that comment. Nor did you read my post at all!!! I think four sided floor to ceiling in center of room and behind on the walls would cover your 360 vertical effect!!!The led's have come a long way and only getting better my friend. Do you think the first MH or HPS that were ever on the market are still in use today? To answer your ? for you HELL NO they have all improved. You wait in two to three years alot of peolpe will be using Led's.

I have been following hydro stores coming up with their own Led panels for over 5 yrs now.... they have always been over priced...

are never effecient...

have yet to be proven....

and somehow they all try to tell me otherwise,,, without proof!!!

I will love to be proven wrong...

Ya I see (smokindago) your one of those no it all's that can't learn anything!!But anyway my post about the LED's was for Green Bastard this is his thread right? no it all start your own thread if all you want to do is down everyone's post! I'm sure it would be a watcher.

I don't really mind. But , let's try to keep it civil , eh?

I like the discussion , as I'm obviously interested in upping efficiency. I am still not really sold on LED's , cost wise , but with an initial high cost outlay , like a few grand , could someone pack enough LED's into a room to equal 2-3 Kw of HID? I would really love a 5' long 8" cylinder , encrusted with LED's , hung in the middle. I wonder how many lil' LED's one could realistically mount?

Yes the store bought complete package are high. And yes you can get enough leds to equal 2-3 kw of HID. We get the LED's by the thousands and biuld or own panels, its alittle work, But way cheeper. And you can get brighter LED's that way, mix them to suite what you want. Like anything else that is new they are high, But the more that get on market the price will come down. Yes allways civil till someone call's you a dumbass...You see little smarter than the average bear Boo Boo. HEHEHE But any way on with life there's always one in the crowd.Later

Hello GB, and everyone else. A couple of questions on your vert grow system if I may (BTW I think you're the king at this shit). Do you measeure how much water you put in to your individual growing cantainer when you water? are you watering all your plants the same time. I find that some plants take water differently and watering still wet plants causes rot or mold.(or do you just hang in there with your wand for a few seconds? I mean everything does go down hill from the top no?) 2 if you say the room is 8x8x8, the shelfs are 1' (thats 2 from both sides, and with the bulb in the middle with plants say about 1 1/2' away from the bulb at the shortest distance could one get away with a room say 6x6x8 (the 8 being height) or 5x5x8? uou know to maximize the space. Anyways What you're doing here by explaining to all the growers is crazy-cool, you're the best dude! Thanx in advance for the answers.

OK , I'll try to hit all those Q's , but get back at me if a missed some.

Yes , I do have somewhat of an issue with uneven drying. I try to blow air down from the ceiling , to even the temps , as the lower shelf tends to dry a bit slower. I have a method that seems to work for my setup. If most of the plants are dry , then I go ahead and water , but remember which ones were still wet (usually the same ones). The next time I am getting close to time for water again ( I keep track , on a calendar , so I usually see a trend in drying times , and know when I'll need to) , I will water just 4 or 5 seconds of water on the driest few plants, and wait for the rest to catch up by the next day , when I'll go with a full water for the whole room. If the slowest driers are still wet , then I skip them altogether , and wait for them to full dry out , and then just water them out of schedule. I figure , that if I make sure that plants dry completely at least every other time , then I'm safe from over watering type issues(ie: root rot).

When I water , I hit all plants with a bout 5 - 10 seconds with my pump/wand , and then come around for a second pass , for 10 - 20 seconds. That way , I don't loose water down the inside of the pots , as the medium has dried so much between waterings , that it has pulled away from the inside of the pot , creating a space. By the time I have come back around for the second pass , the peat moss has swelled back up , filling the pot out , so that the water drains through the "soil" , and not around the edges. The first 5-10 seconds wets the medium sufficiently , and the second pass of watering flushes some residual salts out. A bit of a waste , but it sure keeps the plants and smoke clean. I figure , at a minimum , my pots ("3 gallon" size) get 1/2 gallon of water per , and as much as 1 1/4 on at least every 3 rd watering.

I would say that my room couldn't be any smaller in width , without pushing my plants back against the wall too much or without moving to all 600W bulbs , or an air cooled setup.

Thank you GB for responding soo quick. I have a flat 6K grow room now, that producess about 6 pounds or so of dry bud. 39 plants, all northern lights X skunk. my current grow room

The way I water is, I always pick up the pot (I'm using 5 gal. pots) and feel if it needs watering. That is if its light in weight then I water it. This way I don't have overwatering probs. I also water them I guess every third time with about 30-40% of the regular dose of nutes. This way I find that I avoid nutes buildup. I basically have an hour a day of work around the garden. I'm wondering if I switched to a vertical grow, If that hour was reduced. What do you spend in your grow room Green Bastard in terms of time, on an average?