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#589938 - 08/07/03 05:19 AM Test your Hydro IQ **
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Test your Hydro IQ

by Lawrence Brooke

To the skilled hydroponic grower, nutrient management represents an opportunity to enhance plant growth. To the novice, it represents a challenge to be dealt with. The difference is in knowledge, understanding and equipment. Consider the following questions to test your nutrient IQ:



What temperature is your nutrient solution, what is the range during a day and during a season?







What is the "dissolved solids" content of the water you use to mix your nutrient and does this content vary greatly from season to season? Does your water supplier provide you with good water from one reservoir at one time of the year and bad water from a different reservoir at another?
Are there any components in your water that could affect the availability of nurtrients to your crop?



What is the "EC" or strength of your nutrient?Do you mix special nutrient blends for different kinds of plants and for each stage of the crop's life-cycle?



Does the pH of your nutrient stay within a reasonable range?



Are there any pathogens in your nutrient from a contaminated water supply or from sick plants that may spread disease to the rest of your crop?



Do you change your nutrient often enough to prevent excesses from salt accumulation or deficiencies from nutrient exhaustion?



Did you know that an important reason to change your nutrient solution is to eliminate the wastes your plants discard into the nutrient? Did you know that as plants transpire, moisture and nutrient levels drop in your reservoir and the EC or strength of the nutrient can rise to dangerous levels?



These are only a few basic question that may help you better realize what you already know, and what you may need to learn to achieve outstanding crops every time. This discussion is especially for the advanced grower who wants to achieve the highest yields and is seriously interested in being at the leading edge of plant growing technology. Hobby growers generally don't have to worry about all of these questions, but don't stop reading just yet. When problems arise and a crop isn't growing as well as it should. the problem can often be traced to nutrient management. Once you know what can go wrong, it's easier to recognize a problem when it happens.



The root environment is what separates hydroponics from soil cultivation. In soil, plants await rainfall or irrigation, and their roots search out essential nutrients. With good, fertile soil and abundant water plants thrive.



In hydroponics, the plant roots we constantly provided with water, oxygen and nutrients--no searching for available nutrients or waiting for the next rain. The challenge for the grower is to keep up with the plants' needs and to avoid damaging plants with excesses or deficiencies of minerals, extremes in pH and temperature, or a lack of oxygen. A few simple tools and techniques can make the difference between success and failure.



What's In Your Water?



The first question to consider is water quality. With good, soft water it's easy to succeed. Just add the right combinations of nutrients to the water and you're off and growing. If you have very hard water, or water contaminated with sodium, sulfide, or any number of heavy metals, you may have to filter your water using "reverse osmosis."



So, what's in your water anyway? The most complete answer comes from having an analysis of your water done by a lab. If you're on a municipal water system, call your water district and request a copy of their most recent analysis.



Another approach - highly recommended - is to check your water regularly with a dissolved solids meter, also called an electrical conductivity (EQ) or parts per million (PPM) meter. These instruments are one of the most important tools for a -grower to have and use regularly.



All of these instruments work in essentially the same way. They measure the electrical conductivity of the water. It is the dissolved salts in most water that allows it to conduct electricity. Pure water is a poor conductor since there are none of the conductive salts found in impure water. Purified water will show no, or very low, salt content (conductivity) when tested with a dissolved solids meter.



It is not uncommon to find high levels of salts in well water or municipal water supplies. Calcium and Magnesium carbonates are among the most common ingredients in tap water and in well water. In fact, water "hardness" is defined as a measure of the water's content of calcium and magnesium carbonates, or sulfates.



Since calcium and magnesium are important plant nutrients. water with reasonable levels of these elements can be just fine for hydroponic cultivation. However, even a good thing can become a problem if the levels are too high.



Generally, a calcium content of more than 200 PPM, or 75 PPM for magnesium, are on the verge of excessive for most hydroponic applications. An excess can cause other important elements in the nutrient solution to "lock-out" and become unavailable. For example. excess calcium can bond with phosphorous to make calcium phosphate, which is not very soluble and therefore not available to the crop. The key is to start with decent water and add the right combination of nutrients.



Too Hot, Too Cold

Water temperature is another important factor. If your solution is too cold, seeds won't germinate, cuttings will not root and plants will grow slowly - or stop growing and die. If it's too hot, the same seeds won't germinate, cuttings won't root and plants will die from oxygen deficiency or simply from temperature stress. Most plants prefer a root zone temperature range of between 65 degrees (18 C) and 80 degrees (27 C), cooler for winter crops, warmer for tropical crops. When adding water to your reservoir, it is a good idea to allow it to come to the same temperature as the water in the reservoir.



Remember, plant roots have evolved in a soil environment, where temperature changes occur slowly, tempered by the thermal mass of the earth.



Plants do not like rapid temperature changes, especially in the root zone!



Water pH

A subject that is often discussed but rarely understood by many growers is nutrient pH. Generally, we worry about pH and its affect on nutrient availability. For example, if pH is too high, iron may become unavailable. Eventhough your nutrient solution may have an ideal iron content, your plants may not be able to absorb it, resulting in an iron deficiency: the plant's leaves will yellow and weaken.



On the other hand, advanced hydroponic plant foods contain special "chelates" that are designed to assure iron availability at higher pH ranges. The result is that your crop will grow reasonably well. even at higher pH levels. Nonetheless, high pH can damage plants in other ways, The cause of a high solution pH can be fairly complex. Most city water supplies contain calcium carbonate to raise the pH of the water and prevent pipes from corroding. As a consequence you are starting with water that has an abnormal pH, typically 8.0 for city water.



The beg way to deal with this is to mix fresh nutrient with your water, let stand for a while to stabilize, then test and adjust the pH. With city water supplies you will often have to add a bit of pH down (usually phosphoric acid) to lower the pH to the range for most plants, between 5.8 and 6.2.



As the plants grow. it is a good idea to occasionally test the pH and adjust it if needed. You can safely allow pH to drift between 5.5 and 7.0 without adjustment. in fact, constantly dumping chemicals into your system to maintain a perfect pH of 5.8 to 6.0 can do a lot of damage. It is common for pH to drift up for a while, then down, and up again. This change is an indication that your plants are absorbing nutrient properly. Adjust pH only if it wanders too far.



A pH below 5.5 or above 7.0 can mean trouble. but don't overreact. An apparently sudden and dramatic shift in pH can be the result of a malfunctioning pH meter. If in doubt, double check with a reagent (color match) pH kit before adjusting your solution. Also remember that all pH measuring methods are temperature dependent. Read and follow all of the instructions that came with your meter or test kit.



Media Culpa

Another cause of unstable pH is poor quality growing media. Industrial grade rockwool and gravel are notorious for having very high pH levels that cause your nutrient pH to rise, often to constantly rise, often to dangerous levels.



A simple way to test a new growing medium is to put some of the medium - rockwool, gravel, soil - into a clean cup, then immerse (soak) the sample. in distilled or "deionized" (chemically pure) water. Let this sit for a little while and then test the pH of the water, note the pH and continue to let the sample sit. Test the pH occasionally for about a week until it has stabilized. Has the pH risen to 8.0, perhaps 9.0? Construction grade gravel can go as high as 10.0 - torture to roots. death to plants!



Never underestimate growing media as sources of pH problems. This is one of the primary reasons that "waterculture" hydroponic methods are gaining popularity over "media-based" hydroponics. The less medium you use, the fewer problems you will encounter with pH instability and salt accumulation. Plus, the water-culture systems require less water and nutrient than media-based methods, due to higher efficiency and reduced evaporation.



Time for a change?

How often should you change your nutrient solution? That's one of the most common questions asked, and one of the most difficult to answer. Many people have tried to come up with a simple, easy-to-follow rule - once a week, every two weeks - but they're all wrong! They're wrong because there is no simple answer. It all depends on the species, the number and size of your plants. the capacity of the reservoir, the kind and quality of nutrient you use, water quality, environmental conditions such as temperature and humidity, and the type of hydroponic system used. Instead of a simple answer, what we need is a procedure that takes many of these variables into account and is responsive to changing conditions.



It sounds complicated, but it's actually quite simple. All it takes is a little monitoring and some basic record keeping. Start with a fresh reservoir of nutrient and make note of the date, pH, and EC or PPM of the solution. As you run the system, the level will drop in the reservoir. Note the EC/PPM level, then top-up the reservoir with fresh water. Test again for nutrient concentration. If the nutrient strength has dropped significantly, add a bit of nutrient to bring it back up to specs.



Be sure to record how much water you added to top-up the reservoir. Repeat the procedure every time you top up the system, carefully recording the amount of water added. When the total amount of water added equals the capacity of your reservoir. it is time to drain and replace all of the nutrient solution.



For example, imagine a hydroponic system in a cool, spring greenhouse with 24 strawberry plants and a nutrient capacity of 20 gallons. Typically, such a system would require about 5 gallons of added water each week, After four weeks the plants will have transpired 20 gallons - the capacity of the reservoir. You need to completely drain and replace the nutrient every four weeks in this example.



Nutrient Pathogens

The problem of pathogens or disease in the nutrient solution can be a serious one. It is not uncommon for this to be a regional and seasonal problem. For example, in Holland during the winter, fungi thrive in the cool and damp environment: the air is full of spores. All kinds of soil-borne diseases become endemic in the Dutch winter and growers have to work hard to avoid infestations. One of the reasons Dutch growers adopted hydroponics so readily was to avoid soilborne diseases.



Keep your growing area clean. Never allow soil to get into the nutrient stream. If soil is accidentally kicked into the reservoir, the entire crop can be at risk. Some growers will place a sponge-mat soaked with disinfectant at the doorway of the greenhouse. Everyone who enters must clean their shoes on this mat before entering. This is an effective and practical way to prevent disease organisms from entering the greenhouse and endangering the crop.



If an infected plant is introduced into a hydroponic system, the disease can race through the entire crop. By the time a problem is noticed it may be way out of control. Plant diseases are beyond the scope of this article, but the best advice is to avoid problems by working clean, planting only healthy disease free plants, and closely monitoring the crop.



If you see evidence of disease in a single plant, remove and destroy it quickly before the disease spreads. Watch the crop closely and destroy any other plants that show signs of disease. It is better to lose a few sick plants than to risk an entire crop.



If you do encounter disease problem, it in a good idea to completely drain and renew your nutrient after removing the sick plants. If it is possible there is nothing better than to flush the system by running fresh water without nutrient for a day. Then drain and refill with fresh nutrient. Flushing between every three or four nutrient changes can help maintain cleanliness in the root zone and in the hydroponic system. Periodic flushing is especially helpful for gravel systems to remove salt accumulation in the medium.



To the Limit

To some hobby growers,especially those who come to hydroponics from the " U-plant-em-and-pray" school of outdoor gardening, the techniques described above might seem too difficult and time-consurning. Remember, hydroponics offers great control over the health and quality of plants todays grower with the interest and the skill to exercise that control. That's what this article is all about - pushing it to the limits. Remember, too, that it is possible to produce a hydroponic garden that will out-perform any soil garden by simply following the manufacture's instructions on system operation and nutrient changes, and paying attention to the condition of your plants. But even the most casual grower can benefit from an understanding of a few basic concepts.



Quality water is a great advantage, poor water is a challenge. Use only the highest quality plant food, designed specifically for hydroponics. Low grade plant foods and common fertilizers offer your plants poor and incomplete nutrition, cause pH drift, and sometimes contain impurities that can become toxic to hydroponic plants, Only high-quality plant food can grow superior plants. Healthy plants grow faster, generate higher yields and are resistant to disease and insect infestation. When you mix fresh nutrient always measure carefully.



Keep notes an your observations of EC drift, pH drift, total water usage, temperature range, and comments on crop health and progress. Keep an eye on pH, and an especially close watch on nutrient strengh (PPM. EC, dissolved solids). Look out for diseases and remove and destroy sick plants immediately.



Control your nutrient temperature - use high quality aquarium heaters to warm nutrient in the winter, look for "chillers" to cool your nutrient in the summer if high nutrient temperature becomes a problem. The aquaculture or fish farming people have developed excellent chillers. Fish don't like water that's too hot or too cold either.



Don't be overwhelmed or intimidated. Plants can tolerate quite a lot of stress and still produce well. On the other hand, the grower who knows the questions. and how to find answers, is the one who will have consistently good crops. It is far easier to avoid problems through knowledge and proper technique than to fix them after they arise.





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#589939 - 08/07/03 10:36 AM Re: Test your Hydro IQ
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Great post xo, very insightful. Alot of growers could really benifit from reading this.
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#589940 - 08/08/03 03:07 PM Re: Test your Hydro IQ
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I had to fire up a 'Bowl' and read thru again. Serious. Lotta 'Hard-Won' experiance there. An attention to detail! Thx Xo ...Peace...

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#589941 - 08/15/03 05:39 PM Re: Test your Hydro IQ
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Excellent as always Xo. You should ask Squilly to add this to his troubleshooting / new growers thread.

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#589942 - 08/16/03 12:11 AM Re: Test your Hydro IQ
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AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME information,,,,,,,,

eXOllent work xochipilli, a hearty slap on the back on taking the time and effort to provide a total overview and insight.

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Excellent as always Xo. You should ask Squilly to add this to his troubleshooting / new growers thread.




What an outstanding idea Xuallus, I second the motion,,,,,,
Self education and experience are the two most single determining factors in consistantly large harvests. This post can do nothing but help those from novice to old hands better understand hydro and provide a great insight into their plants growth and behaviors, even for them un-enlighted
poor old dirt farmers,,,,, lol, just kidding yas guys. Hell the last thing we need to see one more time is "what's better,, hydro or soil,,,,,,,,,",,,,,,ugggghhhh



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#1269931 - 01/31/07 09:59 PM Nutramist: why not to buy one for growing.
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I've read previous threads with general references to ultrasonic nebulizers / foggers, but need to get in touch with someone who has actually used one before. In particular, the Nutramist system... I'm running it now & could use a friend... Thank you!


Edited by Earl (12/16/07 05:08 PM)

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#1269932 - 02/01/07 02:07 AM Re: Nutramist [Re: bobor]
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if you are having problems tell us what they are, someone may be able to help, lots of people on here know plants pretty well.
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#1269933 - 02/01/07 11:42 AM Re: Nutramist [Re: Cypher]
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Okay, I'll give you breakdown of the set-up, which you may at least find entertaining... It turned out long, just letting it all out. If you have specific questions, I'll respond... Sorry if convoluted...

Was impressed with what I had found in research, however limited it might be... essentially utilizing ultrasonic nebulizers to realize aeroponic theory's full potential. Granted the technology isn't proven, hell I can barely find a person with any real experience, and will require due diligence. Retailers & distributors have limited or no hands on experience. However, I have hydro experience (ebb & flow, nft & drip), though not aero in particular, and enjoy the attention to detail & control. It has been a little since I've been active, but wanted to start-up again on the frontier. With that said...

I put quite a bit of time & consideration on the planning side, but simultaneously recognized that this was a start-up that would require adaptation & revisions. I began seed starts from a reputable company with Sensi & Paradise strains + a few bag seeds since having the space. (Note: Sensi came back less than vigorous, with some already split @ delivery & some preme even - Paradise all good & vigorous in starting.) Seed starts went fine with exception that I left humidome on for 2 days too long which contributed to a bit of damping off... mostly Sensi.

I began running the NM (Nutramist) Model 3 (3 head nebulizer) with a 10g reservoir to fog feed 3 Botanicare 2'x4' trays. Piped in with 1 1/4" black flex-tube along with an array of 1 1/4" & 1 1/2" platic pipe fittings. Drilled 1/2" drain holes in bottom corner of each tray and am simply manually draining trays & using rubber stopper to plug. Didn't know how much condensate would occur at first so did this and could run tubing to collection basin if needed. Also need small vent port to allow for forced air into trays a means to escape. If not, will get backflow of air pressure into NM chamber & complicate fan operation.

Set-up to run drain-to-waste to avoid all the hassles associated with recirculating the nutes. The logic was to take advantage of the claimed water & nute consumption reduction while employing the NM. This really isn't the case. The nute load is low, but overall water consumption is high... which gets me to my problem...

The NM3 couldn't sustain continued root & foliage growth beyond initial rooting... at least not with three 2'x4' trays (cut 2" holes / net cups @ 6" on-centers with opaque lid- enough for 32 plant sites per tray). Say an average of 20 starts on each tray. Essentially, it didn't provide enough water.

Condensation occurs inside the trays & on roots to a limited degree, but the roots appear somewhat dry to the touch in areas of the root mass, though new root growth all healthy white (no hairs- not as in the NM website <nutramist.com>). They appear as those in a traditional aeroponic mister system towards the very end of the dry cycle, maybe two or three dry cycles back to back.

I should mention that the initial white root hairs that formed profusely on initial transfer to trays, died off one evening when the fog unit shut down. They were without fog for an estimated 1.5-3 hours (don't know for sure as happened during lights out). All roots eventually turned brown over next day or two & began to shrivel up. That debacle took over 5 weeks to recover from (new root growth was so very, very slow). Beleive it or not, none of them died, though many signs of nute deficiencies manifested throughout due to death of root structure. Maybe I should have taken up nursing instead...

Also, you cannot let the fog go down for periods greater than 4-5 minutes without actually seeing the leaves begin to droop. If I change out the NM tank or do any maintenance, I actually shut the above plant lights down to reduce water demands. Direct & constant air circulation also seems to increase transpirational demands to limits. If you are planning to be down for 5 minutes or more, it may be in the plants best interest to apply a hand misting of water all over the roots to ensure they don't dry out. If you shut down in the middle of the light cycle, while they are in a feeding mode, trouble...

So, here I am now, recovered from the above, learneed a little, & have foliage aggressively growing on one strain, coming back on the other 3, with plants that look 2 weeks old that are really 8 weeks. But, they are on a strong come back with healthy new root formation... some stragglers of course, just as with initial seeds...

At the onset of new growth, the plants would appear good at day's start, but begin to show drooping / wilting by mid-day and continue to spread down the plant until lights out. Edges of leaves began to bend up as well. Wrinkles on new shoot starts.

Over fert? No, I am running base nute counts at 300 ppm... still. When I opened the root chamber, most dry to the touch with minor condensation in root mass at varying points. Condensation occurs on walls & lid but most concentrated @ bottom of trays where attaches easiest to existing pool of water. I drain out maybe 1 gallon every 6 hours between the 3 trays while running the 6-heads 24/7. You cannot run it intermittent or the roots will cease to grow & dry out. Above ground foliage will all droop & wilt.

I added another 3-head nebulizer to the set-up & am running an effective NM6 for same tray set-up (24/7). Still have problems with drooping, though now extended to last 1-3 hours of light cycle. They wake up leaves stretched & oriented towards the light, perky, lush. By hour 15 of 18 hour cycle, top leaves & new shoots begin to droop, spreads down to mid-leaves on some, then lights out. Next morning, the same. Again, some root mass dry to touch in areas, while other areas with condensate during day - much more condensate uniformly spread at lights on.

Another point associated to water consumption, the leaf edge rise occurs with droop but have also noted that this is most pronounced when monitored temps at plant level reach 78-80F. They cannot tolerate any temps in excess of this... regardless of strain or establishment of new root mass. I just don't beleive enough water is condensing on the roots to meet the transpirational demands of the plants. I haven't even stepped up the lumen load yet, let alone consider employing CO2.

These trays were intended to house mothers only, where a seperate system with a NM6 feeding a 4'x6' flower tray. If I can't sustain a mass of small mothers in early veg growth, I'm having serious reservations about flowering. I'm thinking I may need to incorporate some medium into the operation or hybridize the aeroponic system.

Running fog exclusively now, but don't think they can go to term as is. Thinking of incorporating Coco-Tek 1" mats to hold additional water, but not convinced they will hold enough water in fibers and they drain kind-of strange... must tilt it sideways to drain- appears bulk of water resides at bottom of mat & prevented from draining due to infused rubber.

Have put saturated 1.5" x 1.5" rockwool mini-cube in set-up just to see how it would handle the moisture... it has been 1 week and it feels just as saturated as day one. No plant absorbing water from it, just sitting in 2" cup in tray.

Interesting to note that right next to it, I put a dry cube & it is not soaking up water from the fog. It still feels dry to the touch. So, the chamber is humid enough & with enough condensate to keep a cube saturated, but not enough to actually wet one from the dry. Just to give you some idea of what it is like in there.

Don't think rockwool would be a good addition to tray bottoms as they apparently hold too much water, where Coco-Tek may be too little. Perhaps could use rockwool but flood often to change out & oxygenate. This would be intensive less I incorporate another pump & resv system... so much for the apparent advantages in simplification offered by the fogger... Also, once a medium is employed, lid must become somewhat fixed as cannot open to inspect without disturbing root mass a lot.

Also, just tried adding Wet Betty to mix to see if this will actually increase size of water droplets / fog, or to at least increase contact time on roots & assist in condensation. Just tried this morning with nute change.

By the way, the NM6 @ 24/7 uses 10g of solution every 2.5 days, give or take. Again, this is in a full drain-to-waste capacity. So when I said the apparent water consumption savings is null, this is why, though nute load is remarkably low for sustaining foliage growth.

I've attached some pics, but note that most deficiency signs are remnants of root die-back from earlier. Plants doing better than others are directly proportional to root regrowth establishment, which is directly proportional to root mass size & health prior to incident.

So, what do ya think? Is this enough info to get the ball rolling Cypher?!? ;-)

~OB

Oops...need some help with photos as well...what is best way to get image size under 100kb & maintain any resolution? Until then, no photos...sorry...


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#1269934 - 02/01/07 02:26 PM Re: Nutramist [Re: bobor]
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excellent rundown. I would say though that you know whats going on.

All the signs you mentioned sound like the plant is not able to dissipate enough heat. This is what causes the edges of the leaves to stick up like they are. Did your setup come with any suggestions about how many plants it could supposedly support. Kinda sounds like one or two more NM3 deals and things might be sorted. All in all though the root issues sound similar to what I have read about foggers, they can leave the roots too dry causing them to harden.

Have you measured the temperature of the Fog? Foggers tend to increase the temp alot, so there could be something to that. But hopefully someone else can add something.
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#1269935 - 02/01/07 03:23 PM Re: Nutramist [Re: Cypher]
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Yes, I've got an IR temp guage and was meticulous about establishing baseline data, along with any fluctuations tied to specific heat sources.

I'm hoping to collaborate with someone on the project, but beginning to think I may become the resident expert. So, I'll offer additional information so long as interest is shown... perhaps it can stand for reference should someone else choose to walk this path...

Indeed, the temp of the nebulizers raises the NM tank considerably, especially if running 24/7. I am not running the NM "system" as advertised currently, but rather did a home build around the theory and concept. So, I have 2 reservoir tanks per unit... one that holds the fresh nute mix (10g currently) and the NM unit itself holds appx 1.5-1.75g of nute mix.

Inside the NM tank resides the nebulizer heads. I've combined two 3-head nebulizers, whereas you could also purchase a 6-head unit outright. There is a 10-head through NM as well, though you can go straight to the distributor <greenair.com/fogger.htm> to get the nebulizer heads.

The output temp of the fog, as well as the reservoir, is dependent upon your average ambient temp, apart from canopy climate zone. This is important because the air intake for the NM fog is the air in the room, which combines with a higher-than-average solution temp to get an averaged fog output temp. The lower the ambient, the lower the fog temp & lower the solution temp as air in room will help cool NM tank.

So, what are the values? Well, if you have an ambient air temp of 76F, the standing reservoir temp has been a few degrees lower, say 72F (solution). The NM with the 3-head running will have an average / constant solution temp of appx 87F. Running two 3-heads raises solution temp in NM to appx 96-98F.

The fog exiting the NM is appx 75F, and by the time it reaches the trays (travel anywhere from 1.5' to 4') is right at 72F. The average inside the root chamber stays right at 72F.

Warning, if your ambient rises to 78-80F, I've measured output fog at 77F, which the plants didn't seem to like. Then again, I cannot isolate if higher root zone temps have a negative effect on the plant health as I am already having problems with transpiration, as mentioned in previous post.

Could very well be a contributing factor to wilt / drooping issues of before. I can say that the recent development of drooping occurs even when the root zone is a comfy 72F. So, I can reason that this temp is not the culprit...

I reason that since the teflon disks in the nebulizers are agitating the water to such a degree that water vapors form, oxygenation is not a factor / problem. As long as oxygen is present in the room air (vent in fresh air daily), there could be no better source of dissolved oxygen to the roots. Open to critical exploration here...

I do add 35% H2O2 at the rate of 1-3 ml per gal, depending upon overall condition of root chamber. I do this to dissinfect at the water source... figured it couldn't hurt with oxygenation but don't believe this is a factor. Curious to know if H2O2 dissolves out faster at higher water temps though (96-98F)...

Also, I've invested in UV air sanitizers to assist in controlling for any fungal or bacterial infestations as room air is constantly being forced into the root chamber, which is warm, dark & near 100% himidity...

So, unless I'm wrong on this point, the elevated solution temps in the NM tank are a non-issue as long as combined vapor temps entering the root chamber isn't greater than 72-74F...

By the way, the Wet Betty does seem to assist in the vapors condensing. I can now put my finger in front of the primary exit port and have water vapors condense on my fingernail, whereas before this would not happen. Will see in a day if this assists throughout light cycle...

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