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#1184075 - 08/03/06 11:24 AM
Re: black jokes
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 07/29/06
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First off I'll say that race is an illusion and I honestly love black culture and don't think the color of a persons skin means anything;I also understand racial struggles and sterotypes; with that out of the way this one is just irresitible. Why don't black people like aspirin? Because it's white, it works and you have to pick cotton to get to it
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#1184078 - 08/03/06 12:58 PM
Re: degradation of CC?
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/21/04
Posts: 1931
Loc: l7
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You can count me in on that one too, I don't think some of these "jokes" are funny at all. Just compare some of these jokes to those found on white supremacist websites and you will see what I mean...
Yes, and the white supremacists offer the jokes for very, very different reasons. This is all about freeplay fun, whereas white supremacists offer the jokes to belittle and to promote their own propaganda.
"I don't think racist jokes are funny, and white supremacists sometimes make racist jokes, so I think that the racist joke thread should be locked."
"I don't think marijuana feels good, and child molestors sometimes smoke marijuana, so I think that marijuana should be prohibited."
Why is the first OK and the second not OK?
"Prohibitionist" tendencies are very much a part of our general culture; they certainly don't stop at pot, and, really, they don't even stop at drugs.
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#1184080 - 08/03/06 04:14 PM
Re: degradation of CC?
[Re: blue dragonfly]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/21/04
Posts: 1931
Loc: l7
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Hmm, must be why the white supremacists keep their servers where those awful hate laws don't apply then.
It's because some countries have more respect for freedom than others. If what the white supremacists say is so obviously false, then we don't need nanny state laws to save us from their falsehoods.
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If you smoke pot and think sex with minors and/or animals is just fine, then you have to give your head a shake, because you are a prohibitionist's wet dream.
"Minors"? Well, in Canada, IIRC, "minors" are people under the age of 18 or 19, and, so, sex with minors is completely legal---even the whacky, crazy Conservatives don't want to make it a crime to have sex with "minors". They want to raise the AoC from 14 to 16.
What is wrong with having sex with animals? I can kill it and eat it, but I can't fuck it? Something's wrong with that picture.
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Overall, your "logic" just isn't , anyone can argue equivalency without a moral or ethical base.
Overall, you have not addressed the point that I made. The point is that various people have different motivations for communicating racist jokes, so to say that white supremacists make racist jokes is about as relevant to a general prohibition of racist jokes as saying that pedophiles smoke pot is as relevant to a general prohibition of pot. If I understand you correctly, you think that a small minority of losers should be able to ruin a perfectly harmless practice for the majority---in the case of racist jokes, but in the case of potsmoking you think it's illogical? Why?
You can, of course, see that everyone who smokes pot is not a pedophile---that's absurd. What is equally absurd is the notion that everyone who tells racist jokes is a racist or has anything negative in common with a white supremacist.
A few pedophile tokers shouldn't ruin pot for the rest of us; why should a few white supremacist joke tellers ruin the jokes they tell for the rest of us? No one is even saying you need to approve, and if you want to admonish us some more, I think it could be hilarious, but when you move from admonishment to suggesting a prohibition, I think you have crossed a line that civil society does not need to cross.
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#1184081 - 08/03/06 04:32 PM
Re: degradation of CC?
[Re: rtav]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/21/04
Posts: 1931
Loc: l7
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Shudder! You've found those racist webservers...well look what I found! Quote:
CLEVELAND -- It was probably not a defense the court had heard before.
A suburban Cleveland man accused of sexually assaulting nine disabled boys told a judge Wednesday that his apartment was a religious sanctuary where smoking marijuana and having sex with children are sacred rituals protected by civil rights laws.
The admitted pedophile offered a surprising defense Wednesday to 74 charges of rape, drugs and pandering obscenity to minors.
Appearing in an Ohio court for a pretrial hearing, Phillip Distasio, 34, of Rocky River, Ohio, said he was a pedophile.
He told the judge, "I'm a pedophile. I've been a pedophile for 20 years. The only reason I'm charged with rape is that no one believes a child can consent to sex. The role of my ministry is to get these cases out of the courtrooms."
Distasio, a self-professed pagan friar, is representing himself on 74 charges. He said he's the leader of a church called Arcadian Fields Ministries, and that some of his congregants are among the victims in his case.
The judge told Distasio to confine his arguments to secular laws at his trial, scheduled to begin Sept. 11.
"If you want to challenge the law, that's your right to do so," Judge Kathleen Sutula said. "But we're going to follow the laws of Ohio in this courtroom."
Cuyahoga County Bill Mason said Distasio was arrested after he wanted to write a blog for the Lakewood Library. Officials noticed something was wrong and notified Rocky River police.
Distasio was arrested on charges he molested two disabled boys he was tutoring at his home. He's also accused of raping seven other autistic children at a Cleveland school for special-needs students, The Plain Dealer reported. All but one of the boys was under 13, which carries a mandatory life-in-prison sentence if he is convicted, the paper reported.
Police said they found journals at Distasio's apartment in which he described his illegal activities, along with child pornography and videotapes of him engaged in sex with boys, The Plain Dealer reported
"Not all pedophilia is bad, and sex [with boys] can be healthy," Distasio told the court.
According to the journals, two of Distasio's victims were so helpless they could never tell anyone what happened.
"The defendant describes acts in which he had autistic children and he did what I would call sadistic sexual acts with these children," said Mason.
The school he ran from his apartment was called Class Cutters. According to Distasio's Web site, students and parents chose the curriculum in the school for unique children.
But prosecutors said it was little more than a trap that snared one victim and then another.
"Like all predators, he used this one child to bring other children to him and that's what was happening, and that's how he got his second victim," said Mason.
And prosecutors believe there may be more victims.
Distasio has a history of working with children dating back 10 years.
Prosecutors said he could be sentenced to life in prison if convicted.
http://www.nbc10.com/news/9621055/detail.html
There's the "white supremacist website"---that guy's apartment. I guess pot prohibition is now justified!
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#1184082 - 08/03/06 05:28 PM
Re: degradation of CC?
[Re: rtav]
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Registered: 03/09/06
Posts: 190
Loc: philosophia perennis
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RTAV, like I said, anyone can argue equivalency without a moral or ethical base, which you clearly do not have. It is hilarious that you talk about a "civil society" when you put yourself down for the thumbs up check mark for white supremacy, racist jokes (and I said some here were, not all), sex with children (admittedly, I should have written children, rather than minors - thank you for clarifying) and sex with animals. That is seriously, seriously disturbing, man, check history for some comparisons.
Like I said, a prohibitionist's wet dream. I am just hoping we don't find out you are Olson-ish later on man, cause the animal thing is how that stuff usually starts...
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#1184083 - 08/03/06 06:19 PM
Re: degradation of CC?
[Re: blue dragonfly]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/21/04
Posts: 1931
Loc: l7
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RTAV, like I said, anyone can argue equivalency without a moral or ethical base, which you clearly do not have.
Really? Clearly? One little joke, and that shows I have no moral or ethical base? Are there some facts here that I'm not aware of? I could've just as easily mentioned the cops killed by that evil dope grower in Alberta.
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It is hilarious that you talk about a "civil society" when you put yourself down for the thumbs up check mark for white supremacy, racist jokes (and I said some here were, not all), sex with children (admittedly, I should have written children, rather than minors - thank you for clarifying) and sex with animals. That is seriously, seriously disturbing, man, check history for some comparisons.
Well, let's clarify here.
White Supremacism is so obviously irrational that there is no harm in allowing the white supremacists to say whatever they want. Any intelligent person can see that it's not true, so why not let them? You can only ever justify silencing white supremacists if you have a horribly cynical view of the majority of people---they cannot control their own minds, so we must control the input to their minds, otherwise they will believe the wrong things.
Racist jokes I do not find particularly hilarious, as they are generally not very absurd. I hardly think, tho, that they're a huge problem. It's certainly not the case that everyone who repeats a racist joke has one foot in the door to his local KKK chapter, tho, and that is really what I was trying to say. Do racist jokes cause racists?
Sex with children? When did I ever say that was OK? Is this a misunderstanding based on my defense of the age of consent, perhaps combined with a colloquial understanding of what pedophilia is?
Sex with animals, well, if you're going to kill something and eat it, what's wrong with fucking it? I don't personally enjoy sex with animals, 'cause it seems sorta weird, but I don't have the audacity to try to project my hangup onto everyone who doesn't share the same hangup. I realize that if I can't see fit to enjoy sex with an animal, that probably has something to do with _me_ and nothing to do with the people who do enjoy sex with animals.
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Like I said, a prohibitionists wet dream.
Why, because I don't accept status quo platitudes on serious issue? I am more than willing to discuss whatever of these topics that you want to, if you want to, but from the tone of your posts so far, you seem more interested in libel than discussion. So far you have offered no actual argumentation as to why you're right and I'm wrong, you've just talked about a "moral or ethical base", whatever that is. I am very interested in knowing what that is. What does it look like?
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I am just hoping we don't find out you are Olson-ish later on man, cause the animal thing is how that stuff usually starts...
Well, we are lucky then---I don't know where you got the idea that respecting the rights of others to engage in a harmless activity means I enjoy it myself. I am not a white supremacist, tho I believe their rhetoric to be so baseless that there is no harm in allowing them to communicate it. I am not into bestiality, tho I think humanity has much more pressing concerns than bestiality, what with actual real live people starving to death. 'Well, we could feed a few thousand kids or we could form a bestiality copsquad...think of those poor, fuzzy abused kittens!' I am not into pedophilia, nor do I condone it or think it is justifiable. If you want to quote someting I've said that leads you to believe otherwise, go nuts! Did you get the absurd idea that I was comparing pedophilia to potsmoking, that they're both harmless activities? If so, I guess I should've been more clear. Racist jokes are to racist people as pot smoking is to pedophiles. Some racist people tell racist jokes, and some pedophiles smoke pot, but potsmoking doesn't cause pedophilia any more than racist jokes cause racists. It seems clear that many people here also believe that racist jokes are harmless freeplay fun---if you don't like swimming, if you're afraid that water leads to drowning sure as marijuana leads to heroin, you're free to stay out of the pool, but why slag the people who splash around safely?
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