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#1061838 - 08/03/05 07:44 PM Monoecious or hermaphrodite?
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Hermaphrodite - A plant that has only hermaphrodite reproductive structures. In angiosperm terminology a synonym is monoclinous from the Greek "one bed".

Monoecious - having unisexual flowers, conifer cones, or functionally equivalent structures of both sexes appearing on the same plant; from Greek for "one household".

Dioecious - having unisexual flowers, conifer cones, or functionally equivalent structures occurring on different individuals; from Greek for "two households".


Bisexual - Reproductive organ with both male and female equivalent parts (stamens and pistil in angiosperms; also called a perfect flower); another term widely used is hermaphrodite.

Unisexual - Reproductive structure that is either functionally male or functionally female. In angiosperms this condition is also called imperfect.




I'm a horticulture student and from what im learning at school:

Monoecious: Both sex on same plant but on distincts flowers.(Incomplete flowers)

Hermaphrodite: Both sex on same plant but in the same flowers.(Complete flowers)

Dioecious: Sex separated on distincts plants(incomplete flowers)


So from what I understand Canabis plants are monoecious and not hermaprodite because they are incomplete flowers. My teacher agree with me. So I wonder why every breaders talk about hermaprodite when actually it's monoecious plants.

Hybrids are obtained artificially by treatment with gibberillic acid. Making dioecious plants to mutate to monoecious. These hybrid are usually stronger, bigger and grow faster. Maybe most of so called "hermaprodite" plants are descendant from gibberillic mutation.

Is their any botanist who could put a light on this?

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#1061839 - 08/03/05 08:14 PM Re: Monoecious or hermaphrodite?
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Hermaphroditism (or monoecious mutation, whatever ya wanna call it) in Cannabis is a survival mechanism. It is triggered by stress; the plant senses that it is not going to procreate so it forms opposite sex flowers in order to pollinate itself. This insures 2 things - survival of the species and propagation of the hermie tendency (which solidifies survival of the species). I have never seen a male go hermie before, but I hear it happens. Doesn't make much sense to me because the males develop flowers first, spew their pollen and within days afterward they lose vigor and die. No time to form and mature a bean. Since it is a genetically contolled event I'm sure it does happen from time to time. I'd like to know if it is controlled by one gene or a combo of interdependent genes. I think the latter is more likely since some plants just won't hermie no matter how badly they are stressed.

Since it IS a survival mechanism I am of the belief (I can't find absolute proof) that most if not all females have the ability to mutate in this way. Simply introducing light during the dark periods of the bud cycle can often induce it. It's known as light poisoning. I do this to stress females before I use them in breeding - if they hermie they get thrown out of the program. Other environmental stressors can also induce it such as drought and chronic over/underfeeding.

Chemical treatment with ASA (aspirin), GA, and STS (silver thiosulfate) can also induce the mutation, but to say that "most of so called "hermaprodite" plants are descendant from gibberillic mutation" is pretty far fetched since the mutation has been around since the plant has been on earth and seeds and fibers of Cannabis have been found at excavation sites of human communities dating as far back as 6000 years ago (source: Ed Rosenthal). I doubt they knew anything about GA manipulation or genetics .

Marijuana Botany

I'm not a botanist, but I was required to take 2 semesters of botany in college. I've been an avid grower of anything green since I was about 10 and pot since I was 18 (Nixon was pres).

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#1061840 - 08/03/05 08:32 PM Re: Monoecious or hermaphrodite? [Re: frmrgrl]
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The point is that Canabis I think is an incomplete flower and to have hermaprodite you need complete flower.



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"to say that "most of so called "hermaprodite" plants are descendant from gibberillic mutation" is pretty far fetched since the mutation has been around since the plant has been on earth"




Your're right maybe they are not all giberillic descendant but they remains monoecious and not hermaprodite.

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#1061841 - 08/03/05 08:35 PM Re: Monoecious or hermaphrodite?
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Every source I've read states that Cannabis is a dioecious plant with the ability to monoeciously mutate or hermie. Semantics

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#1061842 - 08/03/05 09:10 PM Re: Monoecious or hermaphrodite? [Re: frmrgrl]
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I think it's a very interesting subject but it's just an interpretation of a word.

We still enjoy the benefit of the plant even if we dont care about the difference between monoecious and hermaprodism.

Thanks for sharing your thought.

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