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#1125512 - 01/20/06 11:18 AM Re: have a little compassion [Re: shavluk]
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I thinks so therefore Me needs more smoke'ems, pipe is dry, papers empty, flames is alive but I might die.

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#1125513 - 01/20/06 11:48 AM Re: Once again Chris Bours its amatter illness [Re: StrngrInParadise]
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I missed a comma.

"In 1988, an Arkansas appeals court ruled that "bi-polar disorder is a physical, not mental, illness."

What Szasz is getting at is that there is no Physical Health Act.

No pathological disease had ever been legislated into existance in the past. The courts tell pathologists what goes in their books, from now on. Pathologists do not include mental illness. Cadavers can not be mentally ill. Pathology deals with Virchowian defined disease...body leasion, microbic and virus, stuff you see in a microscope.

Beahviors don't fit under the microscope.

Pathology is not used as a social control method.

Do you understand now? The pathologist have fought for 100 years to keep mental illness out and now it is legislated in.

The whole purpose of the DSM V4 is that pathologist won't allow psychaitric pronouncements to pollute their science based work which show up in "accredited" pathology books.

Psychiatric diagnosis are often conflicting. Always a defence theroy and a prosection theroy, two shrinks, two diagnoses. Observed behavior and interpetation flys.

Pathologists pretty well agree on what you are looking at on the microscope slide.

A pathologist will sign a death certifacte saying heart attack as cause of death. You will not find heart break.

Social phobia disease or something new in relationship psychiatry the latest greatest medicalization of behaviors.


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#1125514 - 01/21/06 05:50 AM Re: Once again Chris Bours its amatter illness [Re: Chris Buors]
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Elements on this planet chris efect the brain in many different ways.You say your bi-polar or something but maybe just element defiecent ya know how electrical works go on in the brain.Some are short circuiting and some fire slow and some to fast .
You and shazam need to gget a grip on your super powers cuz it frighting to others.Mental problems are evrey where and many get help with different elements look into it.
All plants and minerals and evrything is for a reason.
Depression is real some become manic and comit suicide.
complusive repetative paterns are mental issues stuck in old track no.3.pete and repeat

The mind can be altured as you and many are aware of so if it was messed up in any way of confusion than we would try and get that tune up that is so needed.
You are what ya eat.

You sound abit like Tom cruise getting all worked up jumping on the couch.

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#1125515 - 01/21/06 10:27 AM Re: Once again Chris Bours its amatter illness [Re: Big Bat]
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Elements acting on the brain means food.

The difference between food and drugs is political not scientific.

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Depression is real some become manic and comit suicide.
complusive repetative paterns are mental issues stuck in old track no.3.pete and repeat

The mind can be altured as you and many are aware of so if it was messed up in any way of confusion than we would try and get that tune up that is so needed.
You are what ya eat.

You sound abit like Tom cruise getting all worked up jumping on the couch.




Depression....my favorite.


What is the cure for depression? Pills? Fat chance.

How about offering hope? Hey things aren't so bad. There's light at the end of the tunnel. Look at all the people who got it worse.....all that stuff.

Offering "hope" is spiritual.

SPIRITUAL IS NOT MEDICAL.

What do not not understand about that?

DEPRESSION IS A CONDITION OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT. THERE IS NOTHING MEDICAL ABOUT IT.

Deppression is the opposite of happiness and happiness does not come from pills either.

HAPPINESS IS INNER PEACE.

SINCE HAPPINESS IS NOT A MEDICAL DISEASE OR DISORDER WHY IS THE OPPOSITE OF HAPPINESS; SADNESS A DISEASE?

IN THE SECULAR WORLD, THE SPIRIT DOES NOT EXIST.

That's why all this spirtuality is delivered to us in medical terms.

I'M FOR CALLING A SPADE A SPADE.

The so-called "mentaly-ill" ought to be called what they are, the spiritually troubled or even the spiritually dead.


AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CARE OF THEIR OWN SOULS?

"The care of every man's soul belongs to himself. But
what if he neglect the care of it? Well what if he
neglect the care of his health or his estate, which
more nearly relate to the state? Will the magistrate
make a law that he not be poor or sick? Laws provide
against injury from others; but not from ourselves.
God himself will not save men against their wills."
--Thomas Jefferson--

THERE ARE NO LEGAL OR MEDICAL REMEDIES TO SPIRITUAL ISSUES.


Am I not speaking English or what?

If we call the tail of a dog a leg, how many legs does a dog have?

Well, a dog has four legs and calling the tail a leg does not make it so.


What if we pass a Mental Health Act law and say that spiritual troubles like depression are a disease?

Well, depression is still a spiritual issue and not a medical problem because calling depression a medical problem does not make it so.

There are two languages at play here.

Moral, religious, spiritual language of sin; greed, glutton, lust, sloth, vainglory,anger,envy. This language took 2000+ years to stand the test of time and cultures.


Medical/secular/bodily language of psychaitry. Bi-polar, addiction, schizophrneia, depression. This language is less than 100 years old and reflects a medicalization of behaviors that were formerly called vices.

Religious language can and did define every human behavior in terms of vice or virtue.

Medical language can and does define every human behavior in terms of healthy or unhealthy.

Quackery is a word I want you to think about for today.

Associate it with persons who would like to medicalize every human behavior then sell you a pill to bring you happiness through modern day chemistry.

Me, I'm just a jabronnee. But in moral matters, a plowman has a better grasp because his mind is not poluted with the professions teachings said Jefferson.

You a sinner makes more sense to me than you suffer from illenss.

One assigns responsibility and one exculpates.

Liberty and responsibility and the tenets I hold lead me to believe that free-will exists and supernatural forces that compel people to do things against that free will do not exist. It's as simple as that.

People make moral choices. Why do these drug addicts not ravage every female that crosses their path? How come they ain't devoring every morasal of food in their site?

It's because they can control themselves if they want to. They plan, they coordinate, they avoid the police, all acts of conciousness that directs means to and end.


Goals oriented behavior, like robbing, looting and whoring to get high are willed by the spiritually dead.

They don't have no disease or diorder making them do all that. Even sounds ridiculous that a disorder cause people to resort to crime or do immoral things. Pride is a word that come to mind. Conciet is another. But disease caused behavior? Bullshit to that!



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#1125516 - 01/21/06 05:29 PM Re: Once again Chris Bours its amatter illness [Re: Chris Buors]
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The truth is ive seen many unbalance become balanced and its elements that help them .Food can be health harming or helping it depends on your need as all are different.
You can not even begin to explan anything that would make a mental illness beter but many elements do.Your not a doctor nor are you a spiritual teacher.Your just a lost uneducated person when it comes to some mental elements that are missing or are present to much.
Go to the phych ward and also the old timers wards and speak to a neurologist about elements and how the react on the brain.What are you afraid of chris?You have never needed nothing from no one as your an elite super force of shazmers.

mental and physical ailments are 2 completely diferent things.
Some mental ailments can be seen physicaly but are all caused mentaly.
Physical ailments caused from deasease are mental efecting.
The fact is mind is set to anarectia but ataxia is wasting syndrom from aids ,not the same thing are they.But the out come is the same so both are harms to the BODY .The mind is what powers the body with electrical and spiritual imput.

Healing the mind and the body our one and they can not be divided.One is a whole.
To heal one is to heal the other.
Education to understand that the body of man and the entire elements of this place are indeed very complex and yet very simple.wHat would you neglect the mind of wisdom to say some need elements for balance?


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#1125517 - 01/22/06 09:52 AM Re: NDP on top in British Columbia at 34%: CTV [Re: Marc Scott Emery]
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The NDP has lost my vote for a long time over the was this election was run.

They've boosted the Conservatives. It's pathetic.

Even yesterday, after the news broke that Stephen Harper was not going to talk to reporters anymore...all Jack Layton had to say about it was that it was "odd".

Martin hammered him for it.

Jack has made his decision....he wants a conservative government and he's hoping he can steel enough votes from the Liberals to have a balance of power.

When Conservatives hold a minority and the Bloc is the balance of power I won't say I told ya so. And when the income trust thing plays out and the rest of Canada realizes what's obvious to anyone familiar with the issue - that it was just a politically-inspired allegation - I won't say I told ya so.

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#1125518 - 01/22/06 10:24 AM Re: NDP on top in British Columbia at 34%: CTV [Re: loggerjam]
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Woke up this morning in excruciating pain - much worse than usual and I have no idea why ??? - and passed on going to Hamilton to support the NDP where Jack Layton was
appearing today.

Very upset with myself for not pushing the limit and going anyway...

Was a time when NOTHING would have stopped me... what have I become?

Oh, to be feeling great even ONE day out of the week would be a treat...

I KNOW it will happen soon...

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Jack had amazing coverage on CBC NewsWorld this morning.. .

He actually berated and belittled BOTH the Liberals AND the Conservatives, rather than just the Liberals this time. Was a good slap at the Conservatives when he did this...

He was also quoted as saying Canadians would much rather see a Government that the people WANT.

Toronto has a very strong NDP riding and they are trying to change Jack being the only one who actually holds a seat in Parliament in that area... I'm pretty sure from the Poll results I've seen and heard, that Jack WILL be successful.

The NDP have gained quite a bit of respect and garnered more
attention to the issues which the Liberals were ignoring, like
forcing Parliament to make decisions on issues such as Same Sex
Marriage and Health Care...

I see wonderful things coming for the NDP.

I will make a point of pursuing this Party and Jack relentlessly, to include Cannabis Legalization among other very important issues in his/our vision for this Country.

On Monday, January 23, 2006, cast your vote with the Party who cares.

A Party devoted to the working men and women of Canada.

A Party with compassion.

A Party for clean air and a healthy lifestyle.

Jack Layton and the NDP WILL make a POSITIVE difference to Canada's Political scene - just watch and see...


On Monday, January 23, 2006 - Vote NDP!

Love and a Squish,

Alison Myrden
Former NDP Candidate
Oakville Ontario


Edited by AlisonMyrden (01/22/06 10:27 AM)

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#1125519 - 01/22/06 01:03 PM Re: NDP on top in British Columbia at 34%: CTV [Re: AlisonMyrden]
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I know how ya feel waking up hurting, I get like that if its to cold. but other times its just a pain in the arse.

HAMILTON MOUNTAIN and HAMILTON EAST-STONEY CREEK need your help it would be nice to see all Hamilton go to the NDP. We need to pick up another 5%, I'mma gonna sleep for a week after this election.

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