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#1101679 - 11/30/05 07:29 PM
Re: Wikipedia: a new entry
[Re: lombar]
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Registered: 05/25/04
Posts: 4147
Loc: Winnipeg Manitoba
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So, the 95% of us who use pseudonyms here are cowards? The simple fact is that I use a pseudonym to prevent kooks like you from knowing who I am. I can say what I want without having you and a shotgun under my nose because you are offended.
Do you engage in homosexuals acts Lombar? Why not? Morailty perhaps?
Right there in your own answer you tell us why you hide.
You are afraid others will do you what Wikipedia did to me.
You can say what you like hiding behind a pseudo-non and there are no conseqences....the hallmark of a bully and a coward. Your scared to show your real name, you might just as well have ended the rest of it there.
Lombar, why is it you don't jump to the defence of the RC Church or the Church of scientolgy when Malmo-Levine and Bennett are slagging them?
No you only step out and speak up for homosexuals, Whys is that?
Part of some kind of mass guilt complex that victims of the past seem to hold over our society.
Was What Bennett said was offensive to large numbers of people.
You didn't speak up for the downtrodden then.
It's some kind of guilt complex that is at work here.
So explain that to me, why you have no problem with Bennett dissing Roman Cathololics?
What makes you think I rail against the church? I rail against the government. Get the government out of the charity buisness and leave it to the church says I.
So that is support of the church doing church work.
So that the morals I have closely align with the church's world view on homosexuality is there something wrong with that?
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#1101688 - 12/01/05 12:34 AM
Re: Wikipedia: a new entry
[Re: Chris Buors]
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Stoner

Registered: 12/13/04
Posts: 654
Loc: West Coast
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Do you engage in homosexuals acts Lombar? Why not? Morailty perhaps?
(Conner McCleod Answer: "Why? You cruising for a piece of ass?")
From the strictest sense of 'religous' morality, celibacy is the only moral position. Celibacy. Christ does not demand that of his followers but full patimoka (sp.) restraint requires full withdrawl from the world and the seclusion of a hermitage and/or under the tutalege of a meditation master. Full denouncemnet of all sensory attachments includes all forms of sexual pleasure, music, shows, in short, everything except meditation. Enlightenment or bust. Yet even those vows are quite voluntary...so by what 'morality' should I judge? I do not engage in homosexual behavior because I am not a homosexual.
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Right there in your own answer you tell us why you hide.
You are afraid others will do you what Wikipedia did to me.
No. I told you why. I do not want physical confrontations with whackadoos from the internet. It is that simple. Now I do try to moderate my expressions because it is possible that, one day, these expressions may come to something. Doubt it, I hardly care. Internet forums are entertaining and informative but not someplace I would burn a potential career, show myself to be a witless buffoon, and piss off the few allies I might have once had.
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You can say what you like hiding behind a pseudo-non and there are no conseqences....the hallmark of a bully and a coward. Your scared to show your real name, you might just as well have ended the rest of it there.
Bullies are not anonymous and I am begining to seriously question your tenuous grip on reality. I dont have to 'end it right there' you just said I can say what I want... Bullies make a tough show for all the other kids so they won't question their usurped authority...sort of like you browbeating me and SIP because we have psuedonyms yet you are 'courageous' enough to publicly show yourself a fool. Bravo!
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Lombar, why is it you don't jump to the defence of the RC Church or the Church of scientolgy when Malmo-Levine and Bennett are slagging them?
The Church of Scientology is an evil business based on and propagated by deception. I am not so hard on the RCs BUT there was the inquistiion, auto-de-fe, ww2, and pedo preists. They have made some positive contributions throughout history though. The RCs at least are based upon the teachings of a real spiritual leader as opposed the drug induced fantasies of a low-end sci fi writer.
Why should I jump to the defense of anyone at all? I simply found your statement a blanket insult to just about 95% on this board who use a pseudonym for whatever reason. You talk big talk but your kung fu is weak grasshopper.
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No you only step out and speak up for homosexuals, Whys is that?
I am simply tired of you trying to defend a postition that is undefensible. I have watched you play out lots of rope, wrap it around your own neck and toss it over a nice strong bough. Others have hoisted you up and for about 83 years this thread has been going while you dangle from your own gibbet choking and insisting that you have bested all comers standing upon the top of the heap. It's a tragic comedy...
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Part of some kind of mass guilt complex that victims of the past seem to hold over our society.
I am a self inflicted victim of your pendantic ravings, I can feel my IQ dropping... puff----more-----buds----ahhhhh! That will slow the decline!!!
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Was What Bennett said was offensive to large numbers of people.
What was that?
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You didn't speak up for the downtrodden then.
It's some kind of guilt complex that is at work here.
So explain that to me, why you have no problem with Bennett dissing Roman Cathololics?
Maybe I agree? The core tenet of catholicism is still inherently sound, universalism...they just don't have the right 'forms' in my opinion. Knees, pulpits, moralizong...I read the bible..."Beware the scribes and pharasess".. It is a power structure, and maybe it should be forced to repay all the wealth it has accumulated. I do not assume the right to judge a person nor such a large complex institution. I can only hope that they endevor to do better but lets face it, if the 'church' which, (rightly or wrongly) has come to symbolize and embody virture, is smeared with the sins of its flock, its authority is completly undermined.
Isn't 'guilt-complex' psycho-babble voodoo to you? IF there is any guilt here, you must be feeling it.
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What makes you think I rail against the church? I rail against the government. Get the government out of the charity buisness and leave it to the church says I.
So that is support of the church doing church work.
You would rail against any who disagree. My error. Leaving it to the church that has more gold than God while the world is full of starving people is not all that prudent. They did such a good job at alleviating poverty while they ingratiated themselves with rulers, consorted with the wicked, and manipulated the population with fear. I hear Brazil is primarily Catholic, they must have gotten rid of poverty there, the government sure hasn't. I suppose your 'libertarianism' has no equivilent concept to the 'commons'? Oh no, that can all be privately owned ....
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So that the morals I have closely align with the church's world view on homosexuality is there something wrong with that?
Perhaps I am mistaken believing you are an atheist as well?
Appeals to authorities that you do not believe in makes no sense. Your argument that homosexuality is immoral is based upon teachings and beliefs that originate with something you do not believe exists.
If your 'morality' said that losing potential income is 'immoral' then you go on to say that not putting your baby teeth under your pillow is immoral because lots of people believe in the tooth fairy(they just happen to be under 3 feet). Yet you do not but insist that neglecting to 'feed' the bone buying pixie is immoral. It makes no sense to me...maybe its just my misunderstanding...
Did you ever watch the uncut version of Spartacus? The old Kirk Douglas/Tony Curtis movie, 1960? The scene they cut from the theatrical release was quite telling of the attitudes of the day. Antoninus(Curtis) is Crassus' manservant/slave. The scene involved Antoninus bathing Crassus while Crassus is talking about how some men prefer oysters, yet others liked snails. Crassus liked snails and that was the real purpose in his obtaining Antoninus. The scene was ultra scandalous for the time, although not one word mentioned sex, the whole drama was the dawning realization of Antoninus that he was to be Crassus' lover. He preferred to run away and join a slave army which Crassus crucified along the appian way. I think you would have been happier in those days.. There were far more people terrified by their own sexuality in the 50s and 60s, let alone the nocturnal habits of others.
I too would be concerned with being labeled a homophobe. Not because of what others may think but because there is some research suggesting larger percentages of homophobes actually become aroused by homosexual porn. (8 of 10 supposedly but I cant find the link) Go figure..
Finally..maybe the church is WRONG. It was wrong about burning heretics...
How about religous tolerance?
Beliefs about homosexuality:
It is probably no surprise to you that a major conflict is underway over equal rights and protections for gays and lesbians, including the right to marry. It has surpassed in importance the conflict over abortion access in the minds of many North Americans.
Most web sites promote a single viewpoint -- typically that of the webmaster. We do not. Rather:
We explain the six most common viewpoints that people have about the nature of homosexuality. This series of essays is definitely worth reading in order to understand the full range of beliefs in North America.
In most of our other essays we compare and contrast the most conservative and liberal viewpoints: bullet A common belief among the most conservative faction is, above all, that homosexuality is a behavior -- something that one does. It is a chosen lifestyle which is abnormal, unnatural, changeable, hated by God, a mental disorder and/or an addiction. It is caused by a post-pubertal youth deciding to become gay or lesbian, because they were molested as a child or they were subjected to poor parenting.
A common belief among the most liberal faction is, above all, a sexual orientation -- something that one is. It is an unchosen orientation which is normal and natural for a minority of adults, fixed, accepted by God, neither a mental disorder or an addiction. It is caused by a genetic predisposition towards homosexuality which it triggered in young children by some unknown element in the environment.
The two most vocal groups:
These are naturally at the extremes of the conflict:
Very conservative Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs etc. supported by members of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH): Most of this group prefer to continue the current restrictions against gays, lesbians, bisexuals -- including prohibition of same-sex marriage. Some advocate the restoration of laws which once criminalized same-sex behavior. Many oppose the extension of existing hate-crime laws to include sexual orientation.
A number of groups, consisting of most gays, lesbians, bisexuals and their friends and families of origin, religious liberals, mental health professionals and their associations, civil libertarians, human sexuality researchers, etc. They tend to favor equal rights and protections for persons of all sexual orientations, including the right to marry, with special rights for none.
People love to portray conflicts in terms of two options: the weather is either too cold or too hot; one is either a Democrat or Republican; people are either heterosexual or homosexual, etc. But sometimes, life is not that simple. We have found not two but six major belief systems about homosexuality. Most heterosexuals in North America probably hold one of the four intermediate viewpoints.
Being heterosexual, most probably feel uncomfortable with the idea of homosexual behavior.
They may regard same-sex behavior as intrinsically sinful, no matter what the nature of the relationship.
They may respect and love the person even though they reject their behavior. They may believe that God feels that same way.
Most in the U.S. reject the concept of same-sex marriage; most in Canada accept it as a civil right.
Many favor allowing same-sex couples to enter into civil unions or domestic partnerships with some or all of the traditional benefits of marriage.
A large majority would like to see gays, lesbians, and bisexuals -- in fact, persons of all sexual orientations -- protected from abuse, firing, discrimination in accommodation, hate crimes, etc.
Trends:
A massive gap in beliefs exists between America's youth and elderly. Older teens and young adults, who are not religious conservatives, have generally accepted homosexuality as a normal and natural sexual minority. They are far more likely to have one or more gays or lesbians among their circle of friends. They are much more liberal in their beliefs about homosexuality than are their parents.
Geographical scope:
The essays in this section relate mainly to the American scene. However, we have included many essays about homosexual rights in Canada, because about 5% of our website's visitors are from that country, and because events in Canada may indicate the direction that U.S. society will take in the future. There are occasional references to countries outside of North America, like Holland and Belgium which were the first jurisdictions to legalize same-sex marriages.
Topics covered in this really big section: bullet A brief overview <<< We recommend that you read this first.
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