"Moral sex is what the particular individual is comfortable with. Immoral is where the individual will draw the line for himself."

What you are talking about is individual taste. You use the term morality and immorality as supreme "good" and "supreme" BAD. ou make value judgements and claim them for society.

"
The RC community of St. Laurent Manitoba had few homosexuals if any. "

How the hell would you know? They were all forced to supress such feelings, like you were by your homophobic mother with an electrical cord. Like a victim of pedophilia who becomes a pedeophile, you are a victim of homophobia who has become homophobic. I am sure that people like to believe everyhting was great at Mount Cashel for about 20 years or more before it all came to light.

"The RC church had first crack at me. I went to school. I found a crowd to fit in with. We all shared the same general values and we all agreed that homosexuality was not for me. Birds of a feather flock together."

You were programmed by the RC Church, a group who burned thousands of homosexuals at the stake, and tried to cover of the molestation of thousands of children and also desteoyed whole native cultures. There is no greater example of the harms of homophobia than that of the RC Church.... no other single proffession holds a higher percentage of pedeophiles than the RC church.


Buors is not a free thinker, he was forcibly programmed by the RC Church and his cable whipping mother. Poor Baby.

I think Wikki should add Buors to their defintion of "homophobe" as he is the most "classic" example of this mental disorder I have ever witnessed.

i went to roman catholic schools too...perhaps it was the time or perhaps kids are mean but there was a lot of homophobia in the school...however, there wasn't a similar fear of homosexuality in the catholic girls school across the parking lot

looking back, i think the boy school's homophobia was sourced in the predator christian brothers who taught at the school...they took vows of chastity but a significant minority of them were pedophiles...i learned about homosexual sex in the schoolyard long before i knew how to have heterosexual sex


me: i have to go to confession next week...i was fooling around with my girlfriend and i don't want to go to hell

johnny: father ryan is pretty tough on sinners

me: oh really? what does he give for oral sex?

johnny: pepsi and a bag of chips

The word "homophobe did not exist when my mother was alive.


What are you some kind of homofacist?


When you start callin my mother names then you stooped to the level unbecoming a gentleman, so the gloves are off


I think Wiki ought to add Chris Bennett as an example of a homofacist. Someone who could just not accpet the mainstream ideal that homosexuality is practised by an obsure 1 or 2% of the population.

The facts are that homosexuality is the unconventional.

Homosexuals choose their behaviors to show you just how much they reject the dominate values of society.

Now there are a lot more Roman Catholics in the world then there are homosexuals.

You some kind of religiphobe Bennett?

You seem to slag the RC Church at every opportunity.


I don't see Mlmlo-Levin ccoming here to lecture you about driving that potential pool of activist away.


The religiphobes have caused a lot of harm to the world than the supposed homophobes. Just won't accpet the religious practises of others. You some kind of Biggot Bennett?

In fact I'll elevate the debate your a relig-nazi. Want to round up all the Roman Catholics and convert (educate) them first, and then what when that doesn't work?


Brow beating doesn't seem to be instilling your values into me at all. What are you goint to do about it? Become a Nazi about it?

Accept the unconventional as conventional (which is a very bizarre request) or get a psychaitric diagnosis from the resident health Nazi. Is that it? I have unhealth thought? And you have appointed yourself policeman to hound me into conformity.

I laugh in your face. Your a mental health Nazi with a religiphobia. We know what happened last time A religphboe Nazi came to power eh. Is that what you would do to the Roman Catholics?

You have demonized them enough, what is the next step?

Call my mother a homophobe, you fucking mental health Nazi.

Mental health Nazi.

One who obtains the moral authority for their arguments in the secular state religion of psychiatry.


The Moral Authority of Psychiatry.


Well it is passed into law through various Mental Healh Act to lend ligitimacy to the pronouncements of the secular state priest and the moral authority of our time: psychaitry.

The mind is a metaphor for your soul. The Mental Health Act would read the Religious Health Act if the truth were told.


There is no Physical Health Act. Nothing in a pathology book needs to be legislated into truth.

It is a Jeffersonain Maxim that stands the test of time and culture that lies need to be legislated into truth because the truth stands on its own.

The arguments of Homophobia are brought to us by the believers in those secular state lies that are legislated into truth. Psychaitry has a long list of autrosities that make the Roman Catholic Priests look like Saints in comparrison. Masturbatory insanity, lobotomy, modern day sexology, not to mention legitimizing the myth of "addiction" the to be precise. Their entire history is one of medicalizing behaviors to lend an air of legitimacy to their musings.

We can see what the medicalization of morality has done for humanity throughout this thread.

The marriage of state and medicine is just as ugly as was the marriage of state and religion.

The theologic state has become the threapeutic state.

The Nazi's loved psychaitry as a social control method. Psychairty justified all the evil things the Nazi's did to the homosexuals of that era. Homosexuals were stigmatized as sick individuals.

Now it is reversed. People who do not accpet homosexuals as conventional are stigmatized as sick individuals.

That is the purpose of psychaitry. To stigmatize people as lesser thans in hopes of pursuading them to accpet the politcally correct ideology of the day.

Addictions and moralizing passed off as treatment makes my case.

Why the charlatans of psychiatry enjoy any moral authority at all is because the law lends their assertions authority.

Whenever the people are unsure of a concept, they always turn to the state for clarity.

Is there a God? Darn tooting said the King and I'm his devinly appointed representivie here on Earth.

Is psychaitry for real? Darn tooting said the state. We wouldn't give the opinions psychaitry any merit what-so-ever if there were no laws to lend legitimacy to their musings.

The American Psychaitric Association votes on what diseases get into and out of the DSM, their Bible.


I work to separate state and medicine because this kind of influence psychaitry has on the affairs of state.

Psychaitry is a religion. A belief system based on faith just like the rest of them.

I will not suffer their stigmatization laying down.

I can think of no stronger reason to separate state and medicine that to take the wind out of Mr. Bennetts moral arguments by exposing the authority behind those arguments for the charalatens they are.

you're calling me a nazi? HAH! thats funny! what do they call it when the nazi cries "nazi"?

the nazis frogmarched homosexuals into concentation camps because, in their version of reality, homosexuals were immoral deviants...the nazis were less kind to the mentally ill

homophobia is not a mental illness...its a word that describes a widespread attitude...you are living proof that homophobia exists so why deny the meaning of word based on its age?

like humanity, language (and ethics) evolve...homosexuality is not inherently harmful and homos do not deserve to be described with your scapegoating lexicon

I am not real familiar with Szasz or Foucault, but, Chris (Buors), have you ever heard of Michel Foucault? He considered many of the same questions, particularly the origins of Western ideas of madness and medicine.

You look into the Wikipedia file on homophobia.


Invented in 1967 by a psycologist. We know what the purpose of the word is. So, it is not the descriptive words you deem. It is a prescriptive word.

The point is new stigmatizations come into effect all the time.

If it was evil of people to stigmatize homosexuals with sexology. The word homosexual comes into effect circa 1880, just as Freud was laying the ground work for his ideas. So the word itself is meant to stigmatize.

People who hold the moral ground that I do do not "deserve" to be stigmatized with medical sounding morals eithers.


Why is it OK for you to stigmatize people...place them in the narrow catagory of accpet homosexuality as conventional behavior or you are assessed this moral judement: homophobe. Homophobe is intenteded to inflame, there is nothing neutral about the word. It means that somehow you are a lesser than, a not equal to a non-homophobe who is a superior person of virtue. Non-sense.


Homosexual don't deserve scapegoating but those who don't see eye to eye with your opinion do.

Your just as ugly as those who scapegoated homosexuals in the past. The scapegoating is reveresed but it is scapegoating none the less.

When people call you a homophobe are they paying you a compliment?

Is homophobe a term of endearment like Bennett says "fairy" is?

I don't think so. There is only one reason to use the term to signify your disgust at the person who is targeted by the term. Homophobes become the new Jews I suppose. As you said, the language evolves and so does the language of scapegoating. A homophobe. If only homophobes didn't exist the world could have a group hug and love would prevail in utopia.

Those who hide behind psychaitric stigmatizations to lend legitimacy to their biases are mental health Nazi's.

Foucault come from the left wing of the politcal spectrum.


He is an anti-psychaitrist.


He writes like Chomsky so his words have little appeal to me. They are all from a statist perspective.

Szasz himself was a practising psychaitrist so it is wrong to catagorize Dr. Szasz as an anti-psychaitrist.

There is no mental illness only people who have problems in living according to Szasz.

I'm not sure what the anti-psychaitry people are all about.

Szasz writes from a perspective of personal responsibility and shirking it and the moral delima's that causes.

Szasz is a deciple of Mises, Twain and Jefferson. Liberty is at the core of all his work. So it very much appealed to me. None of that is to mention that Szasz is a plain speaker. I have gradde 12 and had no problem understanding any case that Thomas Szasz has made.

"Homosexuals choose their behaviors to show you just how much they reject the dominate values of society. "

-Chris Buors, Homophobe

I hope soembdy from Wikki is linking to all this and adding it to the defintion of homophobic as you could not find a more classic case.

I am sure that blindness is a quality of less than a few percent as well. Does that make it unconventional? Nope, that makes it a section of society, and homosexuality even by your estimate is a selection of society. Many societies through history have accepted homosexuality, so it was conventional in thos societies. What Buors is stating is that it was conventional for people to forcibly supress homosexuality where he was from, even to the point of mothers belting children with electric cables, (such forced supression is far from natural or healthy) to make sure they were scared straight. Buors himself is the best example of that forced treatment, and the homophobia that his own parents indoctrinated him with, is the same sort of homophobia he would force on his own offspring (if he were a practicing hetrosexual and not asexual).

The RC Church should be disbanded and its riches given to the poor for all the horrors it has placed on humanity. Say what you want.

Chris Bennett is one of those "nowhere man" the bBeatles sang about. Blind as he can be, just sees what he wants to see.

No one had to foricbly beat anti-homosexual conventions into anyone else. It is the normal reaction of heterosexuals to homosexual acts.

My mother whipped me with the kettle cord as her favorite form of displine. That's just the way things were and as far as I/m concerned she didn't so me no harm.

My parents taught me right from wrong.



Chris Bennett can raise his children to be homosexuals if he likes. My mom had different plans for me.


Why anyone would deliberatly raise their child to be a homosexual is beyond me, but good luck with your charges Mr. Bennett.

Who knows what kind of hatred for Roman Catholics Bennett will instil in his children and he has the nerve to call other mental cases.

The RC Church is people by volunteer who show up to freely worship a Diety of their choice.

Glad to see you put your narrow minded hatred on display for all the world to see.

Perhaps it is you who should get some councelling?


Hatred for Roman Catholic and Hatred for the Scientologist too and a Member of the Church of the Universe.


Yep Classic case of religiphobia. You should get to know a couple of Catholics and Scientologists. They won't hurt you Chris. Your fears are irrational.

Get a grip on yourself man. Hatred to the point you would disband the RC Church and steal their property to give to those you consider more deserving.

At least I made it clear the homosexuals ought to be left alone.

The religiphobes are by far more dangerous than anybody who is merely uncomfortable with the idea of homosexuality.

I'll have to see what Kirk has to say about these types of musings. Chasing away potential activists from the Roman Catholic and Scientology churchs. And what I'm chasing homosexuals out?

Some people around here ought to give their heads a shake.