Slainte


There is nothing but measured mature responses to what I have been accused of.

It is a ying and a yang.

If homophobe exists then heterophobe exists. There must be an opposite to a homophobe...

Can you think of a better word?

Becuase that is what stigmatizations are all about.

It is the phobe at the end of whatever word you care to invent that gives people the "impression" of irrational thoughts. But as I have argued, I stand in good company with the vast majority of people who choose the heterosexual lifestyle as a moral measure.

So anyway, i'm interested in how you would mount a defense against all this politcal correctness?


What do you think would be a good word to use to in opposition to homophobe?

To those readers just joining us, a reminder that there is an active poll above in this thread.

The if then proposal once more.

Your with us or against us.

Either accept homosexuals as moral actor or I am stigmatized as a hater.

I'm afraid life is larger than those black and white perameters. I don't have to accept homosexuality as moral and I nothing compeles me to hate people just because of their sexual preferance. I don't hate all boozers or all gamblers just because I don't like their lifestyles. I just don't think boozing to excess or gambling away th milk money is a moral activity and I don't want to watch people self-destruct.


All phobia's are psychiatric stigmatizations.

And why must it be a faulty induction?

Why is the induction not true induction? The first time I was presented with the idea of having sex with another man I knew that idea did not measure up to the morals my mother instiled in me. If that is not true induction then i don't know what is.

Homosexuals choose their sexuality just as surely as heterosexuals and all others too. Even the Hermephrodites choose, given a chance.

There is nothing faulty or immature or irrational about that reasoning.

Masturbatory insanity and lobotomy as cure for schizophrenia were well established notions as well.

Psychaitry is a secular religion not a medical science. Politcs and religion are the only realm of the psychaitrist.

And it seems that "well established" is on rocky grounds if Wikipiedia is of any use to anybody.

The word comes into existance in 1969 I think....and look at the information on Heterophobe. It's a relatively new term.

I will take advantage of that to battle my detractors.

I see throughout all of this thread all the debaters conviently gloss over all other sex acts which involve a moral decision.

I am not called a scatophobe or a sadiophobe or a masochistophobe. Only a homophobe....Why is that?

Before you edited one of your recent responses, you wrote this:

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Chris Buors will no longer post here. I have picked a pseudo-nom and I will ask Marc Emery to personally delete the posts that Wiki is linked to so they will look even more amaturish and then I will call them on that too.

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That doesn't sound too mature to me, but since you edited it I'll let it slide.

People like me and others in this forum who have been pounding our heads against the Chris Buors brick wall when it comes to homophobia have tried hard to show you how your views are inherently homophobic. You have called homosexuals "repugnant". You have called them "faggots" (albeit not on the CC forums). You have repeatedly talked about how you would loathe having homosexuals in your home. All of these opinions are based on the fact that gay men kiss and have anal sex.

You ignored the question I posed in this post which leads me to believe that your derisive views on homosexuals are based solely on their sexual acts. Therefore, the conclusion that I and many others have reasonably reached is this: you have a tangible level of contempt for homosexuals; the very definition of the word homophobia.

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What do you think would be a good word to use to in opposition to homophobe?

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Your contempt for homosexuals is based on their sexuality, thus you are a homophobe. Our contempt for you has nothing to do with your sexuality, therefore your use of the word "heterophobe" is completely inaccurate and misguided. If someone wrote something like, "Oh that creepy Chris Buors likes having women bounce up and down on his cock. What a repugnant freak!" then you could accuse that person of being a heterophobe. But that is not the case here.

So what word could you use against your aggressors; the people who go so far as to label you with a decisively accurate word like homophobe? A few leap to mind. How about calling them "rational"? How about calling them "objective realists"? Or how about just yelling "touché" when you're called a homophobe? Because sometimes the truth hurts and the pain might just be an indication that you're wrong and the others are right.

So you admit that there is no counter to the "homophobe"psychaitric label?

Homphobe itself is a moral judgement. If you can make them without being labeled, then why can't I?

I don't have the "right" morals eh! You are a superior person because you do have the "right" morals and are not a homophobe...right!

Homophobe is a made up stigmatiztion that implies if you do not accept homosexuality as normal, then there is something wrong with you.


Bull shit says I to that idea.


One can reject the homosexual lifestyle and prefer the company of hetrosexuals without having a "phobia."

In fact, the vast majority of the population do exactly that. Not liking a persons moral actions is not a phobia.


And as you can see I reject all such psychaitric stigmatizations, but I sure know how they play the game.

Like Szasz says....In the concrete jungle, it's label or be labeled!

I say it's time to do a little labeling back!

You might as well reject people from your social circle based on the toothpaste they use. No one is saying you are not allowed to do this---we're simply suggesting it's irrational.

Now you are catching on.

Some people like to squezze their toothpaste from the bottom up. Other just squeeze in the middle.

I prefer roommates who squeeze the tube from the end if they borrow smoe toothpaste and it bothers me if they squeeze from the middle.

And I'm am saying it is not irrational to judge people you choose to associate with on a personal level based on sexual preference.

Once more, the S and M people, the cross dressers, and all others who choose to diviate from Heterosexualism, are not criminals or evil people. They choose a set of morals that I would not be comfortable associating with on a personal level.

Now I do not see any of those people as lesser beings than myself. But somehow I become a lesser being, a "homophobe" for rejecting their claim of "normalcy."

That's nice, but I didn't mention roommates at all.

The deal here is you excluding people from your social circle based on things that are probably irrelevant and probably difficult to ascertain, anyway. Do you ask everyone you meet "Hey, you're not a homo, are you, 'cause if you are I don't wanna be around you"? How do you tell?

The man in a lifeboat scenrio.

To answer your question...Yes the men are diviants.

Heterosexual...man loves woman is the norm.

Are they repugnant? No so long as they are not hitting on me. like I said in the very first post. What they do to and with each other is not my concern or my business.

Live and let live eh!

What I reject is the notion that I am a "homophobe" because I prefer the company of hetrosexuals to the company of homosexuals, scatology practishoners and s and m involed people. They all bleed red and they are just as capable as running the emotional scale as any other human beings.

They make moral choices that I disagree with.

I like to smoke pot. About 20 years ago I went to a buddie's house to party.

For the first time in my life, I saw a person use one of those tourniques, and that person shoved a needle in his own arm. There were three or four of them at the table.

Well, i didn't like my buddies new found friends and I reject their morals too and I left.

Personally I don't care if you shove needles up your ying yang for fun.

But I don't want to hang with you. If that makes me a "junikieophobe" then hand me a medal and I'll wear that one on my chest too!

Now I don't hate people who use needles. In fact, I stand up for their right to do so every day of my activism. But I don't want to hang with them. I would not fit in with a pile of Sunday school teachers either....but most likely because they would reject my morals.

So I walk into buddies house and there he is kissing his new boyfriend. I should stay and pretend this is all peachy keen with me? Or I should say, sorry, but I gotta go, I am uncomfortable with this situation, goodl luck and goodbye?

How's that for a man in a life boat scenerio?