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#1084820 - 11/30/06 10:45 AM
Re: Yet another scientifically illiterate politici
[Re: Chris Buors]
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Enthusiast
Registered: 10/31/06
Posts: 219
Loc: East Van
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There is nothing different about the brains of a schizophrenia than the general population what-so-ever.
Wrong. You know less than nothing about the disorder.
YOU CAN'T prove that schizophrenia is imaginary, your argument is not supported by ANY research. I CAN prove that there are CONCRETE AND CONSISTENT abnormalities in the brains of schizophrenics.
Stop presenting your opinion as facts. Take the time to at least read through the titles of the following papers. These are just a few, there are many more.
Guenther, W., Moser, E., Petsch, R., Brodie, J.D., Steinberg, R., & Streck, P. (1989) Pathological Cerebral Blood Flow and Corpus Callosum Abnormalities in Schizophrenia: Relations to EEG mapping
and PET data. Psychiatry Research, 29, 453-455.
Gunduz, H., Wu, H., Ashtari, M., Bogerts, B., Crandall, D., Robinson, D., Alvir, J., Lieberman, J., Kane, J., & Bilder, R. (2002) Basal Ganglia Volumes in First-Episode Schizophrenia and Healthy Comparison Subjects. Biological Psychiatry, 51, 801-808
Kawasaki, Y., Suzuki, M., Nohara, S., Hagino, H., Takahashi, T., Matsui, M., Yamashita, I., Chitnis, X., McGuire, P., Seto, H., & Kurachi, M. (2004) Structural brain differences in patients with schizophrenia and schizotypal disorder demonstrated by voxel based morphometry. European Archives of Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience, 254, 406-414.
Keshavan, M., Reynolds, C., Miewald, & J., Montrose, D. (1996) A longitudinal study of EEG sleep in schizophrenia. Psychiatry Research, 59, 203-211.
Krishnan G., Vohsa, J., Hetricka, W., Carrolla, C., Shekhar, A., Bockbradera, M., & O’Donnella, B. (2005) Steady state visual evoked potential abnormalities in schizophrenia. Clinical Neurophysiology, 116, 614–624.
Lahti, A., Holcomb, H., Medoff, D., Weiler, M., Tamminga, C., & Carpenter, W. (2001) Abnormal Patterns of Regional Cerebral Blood Flow in Schizophrenia With Primarily Negative Symptoms During and Effortful Auditory Recognition Task. American journal of Psychiatry, 158, 1797-1808.
Okugawa, G., Sedvall, G., & Agartz, I. (2002) Reduced grey and white matter volumes in the temporal lobe of male patients with chronic schizophrenia. European Archives of Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience, 252, 120-123.
Sanz de la Torre, J. C., Barrios, M., & Junique, C. (2004) Frontal lobe alterations in schizophrenia. European Archives of Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience.
Shenton, M., Dickey, C., Furmin, M., & McCarley, M. (2001) A review of MRI findings in scizophrenia. Schizophrenia Research, 49, 1-52.
Staal, W., Hulshoff, H., Schnack, H., van Haren, N., Seifert, N., & Kahn, R. (2001) Structural Brain Abnormalities in Chronic Schizophrenia Patients at the Extremes of the Outcome Spectrum. American Journal of Psychiatry, 158, 1140-1142.
Strasser, H., Kim, A., Rao, V., Schretlen, D., & Cascella, N. (2003). MRI study of basal ganglia volume in deficit schizophrenia and apathy induced by traumatic brain injury. International Congress on Schizophrenia Research: Vol. 13. Neuroimaging, Structural. 207-208.
Tsunoda, M., Kawasaki, Y., Matsui, M., Tonoya, Y., Hagino, H., Suzuki, M., Seto, H., & Kurachi, M. (2004) Relationship between exploratory eye movements and brain morphology in schizophrenia spectrum patients: Voxel-based morphometry of three-dimensional magnetic resonance imaging. European Archives of Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience.
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#1084823 - 11/30/06 05:13 PM
Re: Yet another scientifically illiterate politici
[Re: HappyHemper]
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Registered: 05/25/04
Posts: 4147
Loc: Winnipeg Manitoba
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Why would I waste my time reading what the believers say? Might just as well direct me to NIDA for information on drug abuse. How about what the skeptics might say at antipsychiatry.org? http://www.antipsychiatry.org/schizoph.htmIt concludes with this. Quote:
2001 UPDATE
In his book Schizophrenia Revealed - From Neurons to Social Interaction (W.W.Norton, New York, 2001), Michael Foster Green, Ph.D., a professor in the UCLA Department of Psychiatary and Behavioral Sciences, and chief of the treatment unit of the Department of Veterans Affairs Mental Illnes Research, Education and Clinical Center, does his best to promote the idea that so-called schizophrenia is biological. He nevertheless makes the following admissions: "...we do not yet have an adequate understanding of schizophrenia... a specific brain abnormaility in schizophrenia has remained elusive. ...schizophrenia cannot be diagnosed by a brain scan" (pages 4, 6, and 95).
Nit everybody seems to be in aggreement over the "facts."
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#1084826 - 12/01/06 03:18 PM
Re: Yet another scientifically illiterate politici
[Re: HappyHemper]
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Registered: 10/07/06
Posts: 605
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Arguing involves understanding the EVIDENCE your opposition presents.
Bingo! I wish I would have stated it that well, but it’s the primary reason he is not worth entertaining.
Funny, though: “I want evidence” “okay here you go” “I’m not reading that!”
I rest my case on that same premise. He has claimed more than once that he does not, will not, read scientific literature because he does not understand it. Which I had no problem with until he started accusing me of never presenting scientific facts. Sigh. There is nothing to be done with this man.
Now let’s watch him post three long answers in a row to this, with angry growling mixed in with some Szazs quotes and some challenges to metaphorical duels, where he is both the competitor and the judge. I have a very precise image of him, banging away on his keyboard, spitting at the screen, red-faced, wiggling in his chair in satisfaction when he types in something he finds particularly brilliant, such as his little challenges: “ I want you to critique an entire book line by line!”
For lack of better words, this is retarded.
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#1084827 - 12/01/06 03:29 PM
Re: Yet another scientifically illiterate politici
[Re: skitzo420]
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Registered: 10/07/06
Posts: 605
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You might like these websites: http://www.csicop.org/http://www.skeptic.com/www.quackwatch.org/ (well, not for religious debates but still a good bullshit detection site) The skeptical community is great- they have some bullshit proof systems for treating dubious claims.
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), which can't be tested. Show me ONE EMPIRICAL STUDY that Szasz did on mental illness that was replicated and confirmed, and i'll reconsider his ideas. Britain in the 70s is different from North America in th 21-st century. 
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