They are perfectly timed and equi-distant

"All these people were on flight 77. They are no where to be found anywhere on the planet. No one has seen them since the crash. ...


Hijackers:
Khalid Almihdhar, possible Saudi national
possible resident of San Diego, California, and New York
Majed Moqed, possible Saudi national
Nawaf Alhazmi, possible Saudi national, possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey; San Diego, California
Salem Alhazmi, possible Saudi national, possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey
Hani Hanjour, possible resident of Phoenix, Arizona, and San Diego, California"


Well, he was wrong:

Khalid Almihdhar

• May be an assumed name; there are reports he is still alive...
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/27/inv.suspects/

Can be FBI be sure it has the right people?
No. In the case of one man now believed to be alive - Khalid al-Midhar - investigators are exploring three possibilities. One was that he never entered the country and his name was simply used as an alias by one of the hijackers. Another is that he allowed his name to be used on the flight, so that US officials might assume he had died, and give him time to escape the country. Finally, he could have died in the crash.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,555146,00.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A59320-2001Sep19&notFound=true

http://billstclair.com/911timeline/2001/coxnews102101.html

While the FBI's confusion over Arabic names and identities was largely ignored in the American press, each blunder has made huge news in Saudi Arabia, casting doubt on U.S. intentions and convincing many Saudis that their country has been slandered.

"I want to think all this is a mistake," said a bewildered Khalid al-Mihammadi, 24, a computer programmer from Mecca who was named wrongfully in an early list of hijackers released by the U.S. Justice Department. "We are America's friends, and they do this to us. It isn't fair."

Al-Mihammadi, who spent nine months studying English in the U.S., said he was watching television at home when shaken friends saw his photograph on the news and began to call to see if he was still alive.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0110040346oct04.story




Salem Alhazmi

Salem Alhazmi

• May be a a stolen identity
• Associated with addresses in New Jersey and San Antonio, Texas

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/27/inv.suspects/


The FBI acknowledged yesterday that some of the terrorists involved in the attacks last week were using false identities, as it emerged that at least two men had been wrongly implicated.

After analysis of the passenger lists of the four hijacked flights and other immigration documents, investigators identified Salem Al-Hazmi and Abdulaziz Al-Omari as two of the terrorists.

The real Salem Al-Hazmi, however, is alive and indignant in Saudi Arabia, and not one of the people who perished in the American Airlines flight that crashed on the Pentagon. He works at a government-owned petroleum and chemical plant in the city of Yanbu.

He said yesterday he had not left Saudi Arabia for two years, but that his passport had been stolen by a pickpocket in Cairo three years ago.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,601550,00.html


Just another occation where you're faith in the "official story" has been misguided.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/trail/etc/fake.html

So you admit you were wrong about the hijackers. Anything else you wanna admit you were wrong about ... or is that it?

"So you admit you were wrong about the hijackers."

"All the passengers and crew in the Pentagon crash have been identified through DNA. There is no doubt they were on that plane. I suspect the hijackers used fake IDs and some real to pull this off."

But you said "All these people were on flight 77." - So you were wrong about that. You can admit you were wrong about that ... or is that a problem for you?





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Anything else you wanna admit you were wrong about ... or is that it?



"Yes , I admit I have no Idea how you knuckleheads could see this photo of the pentagon entrance hole with the two engine impact marks, the DNA evidence, Boeing plane parts on the ground , eye witnesses, firefighter testimony and still come away with a missile theory."

Could it be the eyewitnesses who said it was a small plane, the lack of cars effected by the wake and the confiscated videotape? There are lots of reasons to immediately doubt the official story ... how about a knowledge of how often governments lie?

As for calling people names, you have been unable to explain any of the following facts, so I don't understand how you can call anyone else a knucklehead when it's clearly you who cling to a weak and irrational version of events:


1) The government knew ahead of time.

2) All the put options they follow in real time was a tip off.

3) The six war games on 9-11 were designed to keep the air force from responding.

4) There were explosives in WTC 1,2 & 7, (eyewitness accounts, the fact that many buildings have burned but it was the first time in history that fire melted steel, the owner admitted to "pulling" WTC7 on video)

5) None of the black box info was released.

6) All the steel from WTC was destroyed before being examined.

7) Flight 93's crash pattern was more consistant with a shoot down than a crash (yet the government insists on lying about it).

8) The head of the Pakistani intelligence (the money man behind the attacks) was in Washington dining with Senators.

9) "Operation Northwoods" documents are not fake and describe a plan by the US military to fake a Cuban attack on the USA to justify an invasion.

10) Both the PNAC and "The Grand Chessboard" describe "a new pearl harbor" as a requirement to take over middle-east oil.

11) The refusal to release all the different security camera tapes of the Pentagon attack.

12) The fact that the head of the 9-11 commission was a co-author of a book with Rice and was in charge of the transition team between Clinton and Dubya (and was therefore very biased in his approach).

13) The Pentagon had a missile defense system that wasn't used.

14) The secret service didn't wisk Bush away from the elementary school when they "learned" of the attack.

15) The Saudi's all got to fly away without being questioned (and when all private planes were supposed to be grounded).

16) FBI headquarters blocked all attempts at investigating the hijackers.

17) There were pre-existing plans for war in both Afghanistan and Iraq (and that Cheney had met with oil execs in 2000 to salivate over Iraq's reserves).

18) Marvin Bush (the President's brother) was head of security of the WTC complex and had his bomb-sniffing dogs pulled on Sept 6th.

19) NORAD and FAA knew of the multiple hijackings in progress by 8:25 am. Bush and Cheney agreed on issuing a shoot-down order against two planes still in attack mode after 9:05 am, when everyone in the country knew what the nature of the threat was. No such orders were conveyed to pilots.

20) Standard hijack intercept procedures were not followed by NORAD or military ready-alert scrambler planes.

21) Virtually no defense of any kind was made inside the most restricted air space in the US, the P-56 area around DC and the Pentagon despite the presence of combat ready aircraft at local bases. Nor were other defense measures, including surface-to-air missiles at the White House and Pentagon deployed. There was a stand-down on 9/11.

22) Planes scrambled to intercept were sent long after the threat was known, so that they arrived too late to stop the attack. There were at least two cases of this: Otis AFB fighters who turned and targeted Flight 77 after reaching NYC too late, and Pomona NJ AFB combat planes on military exercises heading into NYC after 8:45 am, were called back to base or off the pursuit. There are additional indicators that many combat-ready planes and units were disarmed and called down shortly before 9/11.

23) Chemical and DNA analysis and weaponization traits of the anthrax mailed out to media and Democratic opponents of Bush clearly linked it to both a DIA project to develop "the next generation of anthrax weapon" and to the gates of Fr. Detrich, MD, a center for CBW research since the 1950s run by military intelligence.


Why are you so silent about all of these questions? Why do you constantly refer to the pod argument or fact that there was a Boeing in the Pentagon to distract from the above facts? Why can't you just admit there are holes in the official story?

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7) Flight 93's crash pattern was more consistant with a shoot down than a crash (yet the government insists on lying about it).

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You said it your self David, flight 93 looked to be shot down.

Why do conspiracy websites post that there were no jets scrambled like thats the truth when the NORAD timeline shows jets were scrambled?

"You said it your self David, flight 93 looked to be shot down."

Why is it you only choose to admit the US government is lying when it comes to a lie that doesn't involve them in complicity with the attacks? What about the other twenty facts you keep avoiding discussions about?




"Why do conspiracy websites post that there were no jets scrambled like thats the truth when the NORAD timeline shows jets were scrambled?"

Re-read what I posted. I posted

19) NORAD and FAA knew of the multiple hijackings in progress by 8:25 am. Bush and Cheney agreed on issuing a shoot-down order against two planes still in attack mode after 9:05 am, when everyone in the country knew what the nature of the threat was. No such orders were conveyed to pilots.

20) Standard hijack intercept procedures were not followed by NORAD or military ready-alert scrambler planes.

21) Virtually no defense of any kind was made inside the most restricted air space in the US, the P-56 area around DC and the Pentagon despite the presence of combat ready aircraft at local bases. Nor were other defense measures, including surface-to-air missiles at the White House and Pentagon deployed. There was a stand-down on 9/11.

22) Planes scrambled to intercept were sent long after the threat was known, so that they arrived too late to stop the attack. There were at least two cases of this: Otis AFB fighters who turned and targeted Flight 77 after reaching NYC too late, and Pomona NJ AFB combat planes on military exercises heading into NYC after 8:45 am, were called back to base or off the pursuit. There are additional indicators that many combat-ready planes and units were disarmed and called down shortly before 9/11.


Why not address the facts as stated? Why discuss what some conspiracy websites are talking about and ignore what is being mentioned in this thread?

I see your strategy. Lump all people who ask questions about the official story as "conspiracists", ignore the tough questions and search around for the arguments you'd rather reply to, even if they arn't the ones people wish to discuss.

You remind me of some politicians I've met.

(1) You said earlyer that you have abandoned the pod theory.

(2) You also said you changed your thinking and believe it was a Boeing that hit the Pentagon.

(3) Why would Rice give a warning to Willie Brown, who wasn't in any danger, but not to administration official Ted Olson, whose wife died on Flight 77?


Are you back to thinking the Pentagon crash was a missile?