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#1065713 - 09/12/06 07:51 PM Terrorstorm! **** [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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#1065714 - 09/14/06 09:56 PM Re: 9/11 2006 - NYC [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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As I've said earlier, my only scepticism here is whether these Bozo's would have the competence to pull off something like this, y'know? Like, that they would if they could is of no doubt to me, and I'm certain that they knew it was coming and allowed it as thier trigger for the invasion of Iraq.I'll even accept, in fact I do believe, that they set charges to make sure the buildings fell. You'd only need to know the aproximate date, not the exact time and date to do that.
But that invasion of Iraq shows just how friggen useless and incompetent these fools are, Dave! Now, you know way more about this than me, so please tell me is there any merit to my thinking? To allow such a monstrous act to happen rather than have the brilliant planning ability to carry it out themselves seems more viable, yeah?
Think Katrina, then tell me they could plan something so complex as 911, and make it work!
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#1065715 - 09/15/06 06:25 AM Re: 9/11 2006 - NYC [Re: Maca]
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"Think Katrina, then tell me they could plan something so complex as 911, and make it work!"

Lots of people think that they let a lot of people die in New Orleans (or even planted charges at the levees) because most black people do not vote Republican, and because the Bush family have been into racist eugenics science from the beginning.

As for 9-11, they didn't "make it work" so properly that we didn't expose them!

They're cunning enough to plan it, but stupid enough to fuck it up.


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#1065716 - 09/15/06 08:17 AM Re: 9/11 2006 - NYC [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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Oh Christ!! The idea that they actually deliberatly allowed New Orleans to flood, in fact ensured it with charges in the levvees is really fucken horrific!! I've always seen this admin as a bumbling, naive bunch of knuckleheads, y'know? I mean, I always understood who Cheney was (he used to come out here in the eighties as Defence Secretary,under G.H.W.Bush I think)and how bloody evil he is, but always thought it directed outward, not at his own!
But Rumsfeld, Bush, and the truly disgraceful Rice, I just saw them as buffoons, really dangerous to the world, but still buffoons. Rice may be a lot more clever than the other two, but so is the average house-cat!
I need a little time to digest and mull this one over. You really friggen shocked me there!
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#1065717 - 09/15/06 08:37 AM Re: 9/11 2006 - NYC [Re: Maca]
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"Oh Christ!! The idea that they actually deliberatly allowed New Orleans to flood, in fact ensured it with charges in the levvees is really fucken horrific!!"

Katrina Victims Testify About Ethnic Cleansing, Levee Bomb! (w/Poll) VIDEO UPDATE
by Sherlock Google
Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 10:07:57 AM PDT

Mama D gives Chris Shays Holy Hell for Accusing Katrina Victims of Lying About Racism, Levee Bomb and Ethnic Cleansing

Update [2005-12-7 16:31:9 by Sherlock Google]: Video Up at http://www.c-span.org There's Part 1 and 2. Part 1, the first panelist is not so hot, but the next 4 are powerful and Mama D is the fifth and final panelist of Part 1.

Part 1 is the one to watch, but skip the first panelist and speeches if you can.

This was the most amazing hearing. If you didn't see it yesterday look for it to repeat. The Congressmen tried to get Mama D to not go overtime and she scolded them, saying she came up from N'awlins with a list of complaints from fellow victims and she is going to read ALL of them.

Then she accused Chris Shays of accusing the victims of lying about police pointing M-16s at 5 year olds, of perfectly fine housing projects that Bush had steel-plated and closed, of a LEVEE BOMB (and she went "BA-BOOOOOM! right in the hearing room), of concentration camp tactics on the I-10 Causeway, of outright Ethnic Cleansing.

* Sherlock Google's diary :: ::
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One chagrinned Repuke said "Could you please refrain from calling it a Concentration Camp", to which eveacuee Leah Hodges exclaimed "No I will not! They separated children from families, did not feed us or give us water, they let people die, a woman lost her baby. And all the while trucks are going past--with no supplies--just full of soldiers with M-16s. It was like Hitler."

(There is no transcript up yet so I'm trying to remember)

IT WAS FANTASTIC AND CYNTHIA MCKINNEY AND WILLIAM JEFFERSON WERE THERE. THE REPUBS TRIED TO DEFEND THE RACISM AND ETHNIC CLEANSING CHARGE BY SCOFFING AT THEM.

WASHINGTON --Black survivors of Hurricane Katrina said Tuesday that racism contributed to the slow disaster response, at times likening themselves in emotional congressional testimony to victims of genocide and the Holocaust.

The comparison is inappropriate, according to Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Fla.

"Not a single person was marched into a gas chamber and killed," Miller told the survivors.

"They died from abject neglect," retorted community activist Leah Hodges. "We left body bags behind."

Angry evacuees described being trapped in temporary shelters where one New Orleans resident said she was "one sunrise from being consumed by maggots and flies." Another woman said military troops focused machine gun laser targets on her granddaughter's forehead. Others said their families were called racial epithets by police.

"No one is going to tell me it wasn't a race issue," said New Orleans evacuee Patricia Thompson, 53, who is now living in College Station, Texas. "Yes, it was an issue of race. Because of one thing: when the city had pretty much been evacuated, the people that were left there mostly was black."

Not all lawmakers seemed persuaded.

"I don't want to be offensive when you've gone though such incredible challenges," said Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn. But referring to some of the victims' charges, like the gun pointed at the girl, Shays said: "I just don't frankly believe it."

"You believe what you want," Thompson said.

The hearing was held by a special House committee, chaired by Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., investigating the government's preparations and response to Katrina. It was requested by Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

"Racism is something we don't like to talk about, but we have to acknowledge it," McKinney said. "And the world saw the effects of American-style racism in the drama as it was outplayed by the Katrina survivors."

The five white and two black lawmakers who attended the hearing mostly sat quietly during two and a half hours of testimony. But tempers flared when evacuees were asked by Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Fla., to not compare shelter conditions to a concentration camp.

"I'm going to call it what it is," said Hodges. "That is the only thing I could compare what we went through to."

Of five black evacuees who testified, only one said he believed the sluggish response was the product of bad government planning for poor residents -- not racism.

http://www.boston.com/...

There are numerous witnesses to the explosion sound and divers have found a 30-foot crater at the bottom of the 17th St. Levee that flooded the 9th Ward, said the panel. In addition, they said historically, towns have blown levees upstream to prevent their own town from flooding, so blowing up levees was nothing new for Louisiana.

Don't know if the Levee Bomb is true or not, but they all swore to God it was the truth. All the rest of the Ethnioc Cleansing charges certainly appear to be true to me, especially the shuttering of the housing projects that NEVER GOT FLOODED.

Anyone else see it yesterday or last night on C-Span 2?

Update [2005-12-7 14:26:47 by Sherlock Google]: Otis704 found this. Good Catch O!

When the rains broke records in April 1927, the Gulf of Mexico was full and worked as a stopper to the Mississippi. The Mississippi was full, too, pushing its own waters up tributaries, breaking levees and causing flooding as far as Ohio and Texas. All that water had to go somewhere.

It couldn't go to New Orleans, panicky city fathers told the Army Corps of Engineers; it would devastate the regional economy.

To save New Orleans, the leaders proposed a radical plan. South of the city, the population was mostly rural and poor. The leaders appealed to the federal government to essentially sacrifice those parishes by blowing up an earthen levee and diverting the water to marshland. They promised restitution to people who would lose their homes. Government officials, including Commerce Secretary Herbert Hoover, signed off.

On April 29, the levee at Caernarvon, 13 miles south of New Orleans, succumbed to 39 tons of dynamite. The river rushed through at 250,000 cubic feet per second. New Orleans was saved, but the misery of the flooded parishes had only started. The city fathers took years to make good on their promises, and very few residents ever saw any compensation at all.

The water, which had started rising on Good Friday, would not recede until July. Many victims would never return to their homes. Hoover, who won support for leading relief efforts, went on to win the presidential election. And the Corps of Engineers, who had said the levees would hold, was humbled. Says Daniel: "People complained about the corps . . . but they never blamed the river. They understood: 'That's the river. That's nature. That's what it's supposed to be doing.' " -Judd Slivka

1927: Hoover, 39 tons of Dynamite, Blow Levee and Flood Poor Parishes

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/7/13757/8197


Spike Lee targets Katrina for new film
Documentary will focus on how race and politics collided after the storm
Spike Lee
Ed Norton says Spike Lee "has a big mouth."
Jim Cooper / AP


Updated: 12:39 a.m. PT Oct 13, 2005

NEW YORK - Never far from the center of a storm, self-described filmmaker “provocateur” Spike Lee is headed to New Orleans to make a documentary examining how race and politics collided in aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Lee says he will use “factual journalism, not creative narrative” in his look at Katrina and New Orleans, which has become a rallying point for black political activists and conspiracy theorists.

Amid criticism that the administration of President Bush was slow to respond, leaving thousands of black and low-income people stranded amid violence and lawlessness, Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan has suggested the levees in New Orleans were broken as a way of “getting rid of the poor.”
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Activist Jesse Jackson compared the New Orleans convention center, where evacuees gathered, to “the hull of a slave ship.”

“I wouldn’t put anything past the U.S. government when it comes to people of color,” Lee said in an interview with Reuters. “There is too much history ... going back to when the U.S. army gave smallpox-infested blankets to Native Americans.”

Lee watched television coverage of Katrina while he was in Venice, Italy, for a film festival and found himself riveted to the television.

“I thought, ‘I have to find an angle and if I find it, I have to do something,”’ he said.

It’s Chinatown, Jake
Lee compared the New Orleans situation with the 1974 film “Chinatown,” which starts as a simple detective story set in 1933 Los Angeles but evolves into an intricate tale of high-level corruption and greed.

“People could not believe, especially the residents of the Ninth Ward, that there wasn’t hanky-panky in the flooding,” Lee said of the impoverished New Orleans neighborhood that was hit especially hard by the flood.

“And what I thought about automatically was ‘Chinatown,’ the great film by Roman Polanski. The whole subplot of the whole thing is about water in Southern California and how it was not delivered to the people who needed it.”

Lee’s documentary will be produced by Time Warner’s HBO cable channel and he plans to have it ready for the one-year anniversary of Katrina.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9687336/


Very Painful Questions
About New Orleans
By America's Patriot
9-8-5



There's something very wrong with the chronology of the levee breaks in New Orleans

Do you find it highly suspicious that the levees in New Orleans broke at 4:00 AM on August 30th?

The main storm surge from Hurricane Katrina would have been washed into Lake Pontchartrain at about 7:00 AM on August 29th when the counterclockwise motion of Katrina was pushing water from the Gulf of Mexico into the lake.

Why is there a 21 hour discrepancy between the storm surge and the collapse of the levees?

During the initial news coverage, some media outlets tried to explain away the time discrepancy as a "secondary storm surge" off of Lake Pontchartrain. Hurricanes DO NOT, never have and never will create "secondary storm surges". There's only one storm surge, the main surge while a hurricane makes landfall.

A secondary storm surge is about as believable as a magic bullet. But of course anybody who logically investigates the facts of this catastrophe will be accused of spending way too much time on the grassy knoll.

Now lets move on to the next two questions.

Why did pumping station #6, according to a statement made by New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin during an interview with Matt Lauer on the August 29th edition of the Today Show, fail in the lower 9th ward, which also happens to be the section of New Orleans which is the deepest part of the city? Why did the Industrial Canal levee break near the 9th ward a few hours later?

It's interesting that both the failure of pumping station #6 and the Industrial Canal levee occurred within hours of each other within the same geographic area.

The breakdown of pumping station #6 would have gradually allowed the flooding of the 9th ward and force it's residents to flee to the second floor and roofs of their houses.

The immediate flood of water from the breach of the Industrial Canal levee a few hours later would have easily drowned everyone who was unlucky enough to still be inside of their home in the lower 9th ward and waterlog every single one of those houses up to the roof. By the time the water is pumped out the city, all of those waterlogged houses will have to be condemned and torn down.

In light of the U.S. Supreme Court's recent eminent domain decision on private property, the City of New Orleans can easily condemn all of those destroyed properties and seize the land under eminent domain when the city is rebuilt. Of course with most of the residents of the 9th ward ending up dead, there's no one left to reclaim the properties or to fight back against city hall. Very convenient for anyone wishing to seize that property.

So lets continue by looking into the "construction projects" connected to the levees.

Why did the broken section of the 17th Street Canal levee undergo "construction" within the past year?
http://www.ocnus.net/artman/publish/printer_20044.shtml

"The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late. One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer was a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday."

Why did the broken section of the Industrial Canal levee undergo "construction" within the past two years?
http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/prj/ihnc/TEXTinteractive.asp

"West Bank Levee & Floodwall, Phase 1


Existing levee to be enlarged to 22.4 feet above sea level with 1,300 linear feet of earthen levee and 300 linear feet of combination earthen embankment and I-type floodwall. Pedestrian walkway and benches provided. On west bank of Industrial Canal from St. Claude Avenue to Mississippi River.
Estimated Start: June 2003. Construction Period: 10 months.
DESIGN BEING COMPLETED PILE DRIVING TRUCK USE"

Don't you find it very convenient that the levees broke in the exact same sections that were undergoing construction?

Predictably, skeptics and disinformation specialists, who will go out of their way to discredit serious inquiries into the levee collapses, will make up excuses and claim "shoddy construction" caused the collapse of both the 17th Street and Industrial Canals.

Of course the "shoddy construction" explanation was the same excuse used by skeptics and disinformation specialists to explain away the implosion of the World Trade Center towers and Building 7 on 9/11, which have been repeatedly proven to be controlled demolitions.

The cuts in federal funding for the levee system in New Orleans brings up even more interesting questions.

Why was the funding for the levee system cut by the Bush Administration?

According the New Orleans newspapers, several articles were published condemning the Bush Administrations slashing of funds for the maintenance of the levees in New Orleans;
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display
.jsp?vnu_content_id=\1001051313

"In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."
--

On the September 1st, 2005 edition of Good Morning America, President Bush claimed that "no one anticipated" that the levees would break in New Orleans;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4204754.stm

even though Homeland Security had drilled for such a scenario in 2004 which was titled "Hurricane Pam";
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051

"Hurricane Pam brought sustained winds of 120 mph, up to 20 inches of rain in parts of southeast Louisiana and storm surge that topped levees in the New Orleans area. More than one million residents evacuated and Hurricane Pam destroyed 500,000-600,000 buildings. Emergency officials from 50 parish, state, federal and volunteer organizations faced this scenario during a five-day exercise held this week at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge."
--

This willful ignorance by Bush is very similar to a comment made just after 9/11 by then National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice who claimed "nobody had any idea that planes would be crashed into the World Trade Center" even though there were previous reports as well as NORAD and Pentagon drills(Operation Boijinka) which suggested planes would be used for terrorism.


Members of the Bush Administration knew full well this catastrophe was coming. Which begs the question: Were the collapse of the 17th Street Canal and the Industrial Canal levees deliberate events?

In light of all the evidence that's piling up, the conclusion would have to be "yes".

Were the levees destroyed with explosive charges?

Shaped charges would be the most convenient way to rupture those levees and the only way to explain why they ruptured so quickly instead of slowly crumbling apart in small pieces. With the city and and the surrounding areas evacuated, there would be very few witnesses to this type of deliberate sabotage, especially if it took place at 4 o'clock in the morning.

Were shaped explosive charges hidden inside of sealed, waterproof compartments during the "construction" on the 17th Street and Industrial Canal levees and conveniently detonated in the aftermath of Katrina?

In light of evidence of shaped charges being used in the destruction the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19th, 1995 and inside of the World Trade Center complex on September 11th, 2001, the probability is very high.

The circumstances surrounding the breaches of the levees becomes even stranger with the next piece of information.

Since a truck bomb was used to mask the presence of shaped charges in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City and that the crashes of planes and resulting fires were used to mask the shaped charge demolition of the World Trade Center, we now have to turn to the mysterious barge that was conveniently parked near the area of the Industrial Canal levee breach;

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:I2iPvB6LGs0J:www.startribune.c
om/stories/48\4/5598188.html+barge+may+have+caused+breach&hl=en

Barge in the breach?

A loose barge may have caused a large breach in the east side of the Industrial Canal floodwall that accelerated Hurricane Katrina's rising floodwaters in New Orleans, Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi said Monday.

Naomi said the barge was found on the land side of the floodwall, leading corps officials to believe that it could have crashed through the wall and sent a huge amount of water -- which was already pouring over the top -- into the neighborhoods immediately downriver.
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Why was a barge parked next to the area of the Industrial Canal levee breach, especially when everyone knew a Category 5 hurricane was approaching the city? Was it planted there to make the collapse of the Industrial Canal levee look like an accident?

During the Oklahoma City Bombing, a truck with a fertilizer and fuel oil bomb was parked in front of the Murrah building by Timothy McVeigh and several Iraqi intelligence agents(who were brought into the U.S. by Bush Sr. during his term in office and were caught assisting McVeigh on video surveillance tapes confiscated under national security) in order to make it look like the truck bomb took down the building even though we know shaped charges caused the hole in the Murrah building.

It was the same way with the World Trade Center on 9/11. Planes were crashed into the buildings and the resulting fires were used in the governments whitewash of the events which claimed that the steel columns melted and caused the collapse. FDNY firefighter tapes prove the fires were nearly out before the shaped charge implosions of Towers
1 and 2 as well as Building 7, a demolition which was admitted several months later by Larry Silverstein on a PBS documentary called "America Rebuilds".

So the presence of this barge in the exact area where the Industrial Canal levee breached is highly suspicious.

On a side note, the original story linked above has been "scrubbed" from the main Minneapolis Star Tribune website and replaced with a totally different story. Luckily the original article was found in the Google cache. Looks like whoever destroyed those levees are putting massive pressure on newspapers and websites to censor the truth.

Now we have to ask, who benefits from this tragedy?

Halliburton, the company previously headed by Dick Cheney, has already been awarded contracts to clean up the damage from Katrina.

http://www.halliburton.com/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/sourc
e_files/news.j\sp?newsurl=/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_
files/press_statement/2005/\corpnws_090205.html

"Also, as part of the company's Construction Capabilities (CONCAP) contract with the U.S. Naval Facilities Engineering Command (NAVFAC), Halliburton's subsidiary KBR is providing power distribution restoration, emergency roof repair and debris removal at three Mississippi Naval facilities that were damaged by Hurricane Katrina. Additionally, KBR will begin performing damage assessments on other Naval facilities in New Orleans as soon as it is deemed safe to do so."

Just like with the aftermath of the Iraq War, Dick Cheney and Halliburton will line their pockets by making billions of dollars off of the suffering of thousands of innocents.

Unfortunately for truth seekers, there will be influential individuals in the truth movement who will say that people who ask these types of questions "are shooting their mouths off" or will shut down inquiries into this event by saying "lets not get into this right now because of the scope of this tragedy". Unfortunately, they are unintentionally and unwittingly letting the perpetrators get away with this crime against humanity in New Orleans.

But those of us who ask these painful questions can always take solace in the following quote from Mark Twain:

"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."

It's clear the destruction of New Orleans with the levee breaches was a deliberately manufactured event which was designed to bring about the chaos we saw in New Orleans and to bring us closer to the New World Order police state.

http://www.media-criticism.com/new_orleans_rense_Painful_questions.html



Rumors about the New Orleans levees

Various "conspiracy" centered websites have asserted that some of the New Orleans levees were intentionally weakened in advance of the storm or deliberately breached after it had passed.[19][20] The Greater New Orleans area was flooded by a series of canal floodwall and levee breaches, some 20 in the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet, three in the Industrial Canal, two in the London Avenue Canal, and one in the 17th Street Canal. Speculation has arisen — almost entirely from persons referring to second-hand sources or posting under screen names — that the levees were destroyed either by explosives or by ramming of a barge into it, and a range of potential responsible parties have been suggested, including corporate interests, Islamic terrorists, and the U.S. federal government.

One site purporting to transcribe an instant message "chat" (presumably over a cell-phone) from a resident taking refuge in the Superdome claims that the resident wrote: "The 17th street levee was bombed by the Army Corps of Engineers to save the more valuable real estate in the city," further asserting that others had heard the explosions, and that seven explosions had been heard.[21] The suggestion of motive seems contrary to the fact that the area flooded by the 17th Street Canal breach included large neighborhoods of upper middle class homes in the West End and Lakeview neighborhoods accounting for some 1/3rd of the city's property taxes, indeed some of the most "valuable real estate in the city".

Another New Orleans blogger described the spread of such rumors, writing on September 8,

The pharmacy was filled with refugees from New Orleans trying to get lost or low prescriptions of their own filled. This was where I first heard the rumors that the levees were supposedly blown on purpose. One person said it was "an attempt to save the city." Someone else said "Well, if it was, it didn't work."
Neither of them had been witnesses to the event, but as the rumor spreads among evacuees it is repeated as if the evacuees were witnesses to the event.[22]

The Wayne Madsen Report website posted a claim that the 17th Street Levee was broken by a loose barge:
This barge (ING 4727, owned by the Ingram Barge Company) landed in what had been a residential neighborhood of the Lower 9th Ward.
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This barge (ING 4727, owned by the Ingram Barge Company) landed in what had been a residential neighborhood of the Lower 9th Ward.

September 7, 2005 -- Locals from Lakeview subdivision of New Orleans report that after Katrina passed a loose barge struck levee causing breach that flooded city. WMR has just been informed by evacuees in Baton Rouge from Lakeview, a well-to-do New Orleans neighborhood, that the flooding of the city was caused by a loose barge striking the levee on the 17th Street Canal thus weakening the retaining wall. The breach was not caused by rising flood waters as reported by FEMA and other agencies. Lakeview is some 1.5 miles down Veterans Boulevard from the 17th St. Canal breach. Distraught evacuees want to know why the Coast Guard or the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers did not secure the barge. The evacuees who witnessed the barge striking the levee also want to know why the major media is not covering this story.[23]

Possibly this was a confusion with one of the two breaches in the Lower 9th Ward side of the Industrial Canal, which indeed deposited a large barge, the ING 4727, in that residential neighborhood. Some have alleged that the barge was deliberatly piloted into the Lower 9th Ward to destroy the neighborhood. The more conventional explanation is that it broke free of its moorings during the storm. Steering a barge during severe hurricane conditions seems a rather difficult task in any case.

Radio talk show host Hal Turner has placed a story on his web site claiming that explosive residue was found on underwater debris chunks from a failed levee:

One diver, a member of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, saw the burn marks and knew immediately what caused them. When he surfaced and showed the evidence to his superior, the on-site Coordinator for FEMA stepped-in and said "You are not here to conduct an investigation as to why this rupture occurred, but only to determine how best to close it." The FEMA coordinator then threw the evidence back into the water and said "You will tell no one about this."

At that point, the diver went back down to do more inspection of the levee. On the second dive, he secreted a small chunk of the debris inside his wet suit and later arranged for it to be sent to trusted military friends at The U.S. Army Forensic Laboratory at Fort Gillem, Georgia for testing.

According to well placed sources, a military forensic specialist determined the burn marks on the cement chunks did, in fact, come from high explosives. The source, speaking on condition of anonymity said "We found traces of boron-enhanced fluoronitramino explosives as well as PBXN-111 embedded in the debris. This would indicate at least two separate types of explosive devices."[24]

A number of Lower 9th Ward residents have alleged that their area was allowed to flood in order to "save the French Quarter". The motive seems less likely when it is realized that the French Quarter is geographically at the highest elevation in the city, and thus would be one of the last places to flood in almost any scenario of a major flood of New Orleans.
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Historical background
River levee blown up in 1927
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River levee blown up in 1927

During the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927, a Mississippi River levee was indeed blown up in Caernarvon, St. Bernard Parish, a rural area below the city in an effort to protect the city itself from dangerously high waters.

During Hurricane Betsy in 1965, a breach in the Industrial Canal flooded the Lower 9th Ward. Persistent stories alleged that the levee was blown up to save more valuable land on the other side of the Canal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_theories_regarding_Hurricane_Katrina
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#1065718 - 09/15/06 08:40 AM Re: 9/11 2006 - NYC [Re: Maca]
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#1065719 - 09/15/06 09:12 AM Re: 9/11 2006 - NYC [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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Thanks Dave...but thats enough for now, mate! I'm already having a hard time sleeping tonight with all this running through my head. Right now(1:41am) I'm feeling very guilty that We had the selfishness and the nievity to bring a child into a world that has always been run by these types of creeps. I mean I love her like nothing else, but what the fuck were we (her mother and I) thinking?
That there are people that would do this kind of thing to save real estate, and just because the victims are black, dont vote Resluglican, and so are dispensible just makes my blood boil, and frightens me that we are not among the rich ones considered worth saving should something horrible happen here, y'know?
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#1065720 - 09/15/06 10:59 AM Re: 9/11 2006 - NYC [Re: Maca]
davidmalmolevine Offline
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"That there are people that would do this kind of thing to save real estate, and just because the victims are black, dont vote Resluglican, and so are dispensible just makes my blood boil, and frightens me that we are not among the rich ones considered worth saving should something horrible happen here, y'know?"

The first step to solving a problem is admitting you have one. I think that the world should adopt concensus decision-making systems - if everyone has a veto then there's no one to bribe, and no chance that we would be thrown into a war with the snap of someone's fingers, and no way they would send help instead of guns:


http://www.justpowers.com/wp-content/HelpvsGuns.jpg


sorry to throw more at you, but check this out:

http://www.xhollywood.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/38725768_16c66eb58b.jpg



and do check out that video in my last post .... one of my most fave vids on the net.


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#1065721 - 09/27/06 12:05 AM Re: 9/11 2006 - NYC [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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New WTC Animation: WTC Core

Check it out, should leave no dought in your mind.
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#1065722 - 09/27/06 05:14 AM Re: 9/11 2006 - NYC [Re: neutralsam]
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Great video, neutralsam. Very informative.

If you want to hear the sound of the explosions that sliced through the core columns like butter, check out this video.

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