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#1053638 - 09/27/05 10:41 PM Re: eNDProhibition ***** [Re: SmokinPublic]
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If you are a student, you will likely have a Young NDP club. There is one at UVic, which I just recently joined yesterday. They usually get together periodically to drink and hold round-table discussions, sometimes resulting in some direct action or perhaps to lobby the party for support.




Student clubs are definitely a good idea. If there isn't one on your campus, start one. You get funding, access to equipment and resources, free use of rooms and space on campus, and more.

In March 2005, the NDP club at McGill University sponsored "Doobie Day" on their campus. They showed the documentary "Grass" and had a variety of activists and authors speaking publically about pot issues on campus.

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#1053639 - 09/30/05 02:31 PM Re: eNDProhibition [Re: Dana Larsen]
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I have more progress to report.

Chuck Beyer will be introducing this resolution in his local NDP constituency association meeting on October 16th.

George Shavluk is also putting this resolution forward in his NDP constituency association in Delta this week.

If anyone else is putting this resolution forward in their area, or has other NDP news to report, please let me know.
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#1053640 - 10/02/05 12:16 PM Re: eNDProhibition [Re: Dana Larsen]
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Excellent initiative. Kudos.

I think tho that the issue of taxing pot commercially is misleading. If it becomes legal, the price will plummet, and many will grow their own, increasingly from clones, I suspect. The revenue from grow equipment should rise considerably tho.

Just food for thought...

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#1053641 - 10/03/05 01:06 PM Re: eNDProhibition [Re: Poter Principle]
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I'm not sure if I buy the argument that legalizing pot wont help tax revenue as everyone will "simply" grow their own...

Its Obvious to me that people who say this have never grown. I would Much rather go down to my local MJ Distributary and purchase a pristine bud of my choice than work/wait 2-3 months on my own crop.

I also dont buy the quality cop out... "well mj in stores will Never be as good as homegrown.." mmmmmmmbullshit. Can you homebrewers make a better beer/wine than I can buy in a beer/wine store? If you can why arent you marketing it and getting rich ? I mean, its Better right?

Its not like its some Ancient Chinese Secret... once its commercialized the information on the "how to" will be snatched up and utilized by those money-making powers that be. Sure there will be hold-outs... , jus' like with homebrewers today..., but they, in comparison, are a Small small percentage of the user population. I think its a safe bet the cannabis market will pan out the same.

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#1053642 - 10/07/05 07:04 PM Re: eNDProhibition [Re: Dana Larsen]
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George Shavluk is also putting this resolution forward in his NDP constituency association in Delta this week.




I am happy to announce that the shorter version of the resolution passed unanimously in Delta. So that is two places it has passed for sure, and I am investigating to confirm that it was also passed in Victoria - Beacon Hill.

This is very encouraging and signals that we might even get this thing passed at the convention.


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#1053643 - 10/07/05 07:14 PM Re: eNDProhibition [Re: Poter Principle]
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I think tho that the issue of taxing pot commercially is misleading. If it becomes legal, the price will plummet, and many will grow their own





There's many different forms that "legal" marijuana could take. I don't think we would switch in one step from the total prohibition we have now to a situation where marijuana could be grown completely freely. You and I might prefer that option, but realistically the current prohibition will eventually be replaced with some sort opf regulated system with controls and limits and licenses and taxes.

In Holland, marijuana is quasi-legal, and it is sold for about the same street prices as pot in Canada. I am sure that there are millions of Canadians who would be happy to pay $10 a gram for their marijuana in a legal environment.

However, in the long term you could be right. If marijuana was completely legal and free to grow as any other plant, then it would cost much, much less. However, there would still be huge savings from not having to enforce prohibition, and there would also be savings and taxes in regards to the medicinal, industrial and nutritional uses of cannabis.

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#1053644 - 10/07/05 07:49 PM Re: eNDProhibition [Re: Dana Larsen]
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It would probably end up like alcohol. Both sold in stores and home-grown but I think that lifting the prohibition would create a far greater supply as legitimate growers could use big greenhouses instead of residential homes. There would be outdoor crops. I think the supply would explode beyond the demand. If the store price remained as high as the black market pricing then even more would grow their own. Just like people smuggle ciggarettes from Ontario to save the tax. If the prices are too high, people will go around the law. It's a tomato and if legal, I would think would be no more expensive than tobacco.

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I am sure that there are millions of Canadians who would be happy to pay $10 a gram for their marijuana in a legal environment.




Well I am not one of them...


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#1053645 - 10/07/05 09:10 PM Re: eNDProhibition [Re: lombar]
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It would probably end up like alcohol.




In regards to the pricing of alcohol, it really varies greatly on when and where you purchase it. If you buy wine in a restaurant, it is very expensive. If you buy the same bottle in a pub it is a little less, and in a liquor store it is much cheaper, and if you brew your own wine it is the cheapest.

Coffee is also priced in much the same way.

So in a legal environment pot could also tend to end up the same. If you bought a gram in a cafe then you would pay more, but you're also paying for the place to hang out and smoke it. If you bought your pot at a cannabis shop, you'd pay less. And if you grew your own plants at home, then you'd be paying even less.


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#1053646 - 10/07/05 10:32 PM Re: eNDProhibition [Re: Dana Larsen]
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To clarify I just think $10 is too much. I would take that if I could get it simply to have it legal...I just don't think it would be possible to keep the prices that high. If they can't interdict the supply when it's banned outright, how could they do it when it's legal?

In a cafe setting perhaps then that makes it worthwhile for people to run cafes but if I cook at home its 1/4-1/10 the cost. Cafes with multiple vareities would be cool and I can't say I wouldnt go to one on occasion!

If ole Paul Martin says "pots legal but here is the price scheme" I am not going put up a big fight unless the price was about to increase. Of course the "let the market decide' folks might have something to say about that. A value added tax like gst/pst and maybe a 'sin' tax at most rather than outright price fixing. If the legal price is too high then we won't eliminate the black market cannabis trade.
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#1053647 - 10/11/05 12:07 PM Re: eNDProhibition [Re: Dana Larsen]
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I agree that getting from prohibition to a regulated legal system is doubtful except in stages over most likely a long time. I just thought of this right now: the most liberating plant on earth should itself be free. That's what we're here for. But we've made it, ironically, an icon of commerce. Billions of dollars. The biggest cash crop we grow, but only with artificially inflated cost...

Regardless of how the details of a pot/hemp economy work out, the prohibition system is a massive waste, affects millions of people, and is unsustainable.

And ya it would be cool to pay for herb in a public place, and $10, or $5 or $1 a gram would mean litle for the sheer freedom to do that.

I'll get off my soapbox now...

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