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That's really rude.

Like many conversations I've been having, this one is required because these topics come up all the time anyway. Marc was asked by the CBC about his views on children and cannabis and gave a similar answer. I don't know why this topic is OK for some people to discuss but not others.

Either let me have free discussion or fire me and post a list of topics that won't be tolerated .... but stop talking down to me as if I'm a do-nothing trouble-making distraction.

You cannot ban anyone from Parliment Hill think about how many tourist would be there that day not even knowing that there is a cannabis rally. What are we gonna do guard the entrance to the Hill and bann all tourist with children. Sorry your not allowed in this public area with your children this is a protest zone.....GET REAL!

And as far as silencing DML he is one of the most enlightened people in these forums. I often search for his postings specifically so I can learn something, not just get some mindless dribble. Not that there is anything wrong with mindless dribble. Does freedom of speach not exist anymore in these forums. BS. If DML is fired or banned, then I'm gone too!

Anyone who tells anybody else what they can and cannot say is un-canadian.

Jodie's post (no offense) is exactly everything I fight agains't it is ignorance at it's best if I was told what I could and could not talk about I would scream commie

Jodie,

I agree with David on this one. This is very relevant to rallies. I understand some people's fears of even discussing the subject, though.

I believe in Holland that the tolerated age of smoking pot is 16. I believe that may be the age it can be purchased at cafes, though that may be 18. Anybody know this?

I believe 14 year olds can purchase wine and beer in French bars and cafes. Anybody know more about this. I need to Google all this.

I thought I heard that vending machines in Germany sell beer and wine coolers.

I recently heard a guy on Coast to Coast AM radio who just came back from the Ukraine. He said teenagers were legally drinking beer in public. But they weren't acting wild and crazy though. It was just their culture.

I think the young people in the USA who get wild when they drink do it because they can't legally drink, aren't used to drinking often and in moderation, and so they just are inexperienced and wild because of it. Forbidden Fruit Syndrome.

I think the law for cannabis use should be that it is legal at age 16. Like speeding laws people will stretch the law, and 14 year olds will use it. Big deal. People don't go crazy in most nations just because teenagers stretch the drinking laws.

Same thing for rallies. People shouldn't be sharing joints with obviously young people younger than 16. Let it go at that. And don't be more gestapo about it than the U.S.A. Everyone needs to chill.

People used to believe that rallies for cannabis were bad. How dumb is that?

I believe that Holland has fewer hard drug users specifically because they openly discuss drug use with teenagers, and the relative harms of various drugs, and drug use methods.

Holland also has fewer teen pregnancies than most other nations. Also because they openly discuss it everywhere, in schools, etc.. Birth control, sex education, etc..

Openness works a lot better.

We need some "glasnost" in the movement worldwide.

Well you know how it is G Force, Freedom of speach, just watch what you say.

Your right UNCanadian.

As long as we are not threateneing to do harm to any one then say what you will. No one has the right to tell us to stop, this is not Iraq.

Hi EcoMan,

In Holland, you've got to be 18 to be able to purchase pot in a cafe.

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Either these forums are for public debate and discussion or they're for highly censored discussions to be dictated by Emery and inner circle.

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Interesting that this is in your first post on these forums. Have you been banned before?

Jodie, and any moderator, has the right to block offtopic discussion, or to move offtopic discussions to other forums here.

I just happen to think that this is ontopic. I can see why she might think it is offtopic, though. I just happen to disagree. Jodie is great.

But, you my friend, are a moron. Have a nice day.

Percentage of users. Age limits vary between 14-18 (lower limit) and 59-69 years (upper limit). Figures for the Netherlands: 15-69 years. No data was available for unlisted EU countries.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/Com-e/ille-e/library-e/dolin1-e.htm



The 1972 state commission's recommendations still form the basis of this drugs policy in which the government's role is seen as preventing people - particularly young people - from starting to use drugs without knowing enough about them, while providing treatment for those who develop drug problems.  As discussed in previous sections, this harm reduction approach has led the Dutch government to distinguish between "hard drugs," i.e., those that pose an unacceptable risk to health, and "soft drugs" such as cannabis products, which although still considered "risky" do not present similar concerns.  The underlying assumption made in the Netherlands with respect to cannabis is that people are more likely to make a transition from soft to hard drugs as a result of social factors, not physiological ones.  Separating the markets by allowing people to purchase soft drugs in a setting where they are not exposed to the criminal subculture surrounding hard drugs is intended to create a social barrier that prevents people experimenting with more dangerous drugs.


                        The report goes on to review the effects of the Dutch drug policy, the treatment of addiction in the Netherlands, and enforcement under the Opium Act.  Key conclusions and findings include: 


·        Decriminalization of the possession of soft drugs for personal use and the toleration of sales in controlled circumstances has not resulted in a worryingly high level of consumption among young people.  The extent and nature of the use of soft drugs does not differ from the pattern in other Western countries. 

http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/Com-e/ille-e/library-e/dolin1-e.htm


"As far as cannabis is concerned, only behaviour causing demonstrable harm to others should be prohibited. This would include illegal trafficking, selling to people under the age of sixteen, and impaired driving."

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/education/spotlight/issue_24/laws.html




If we demand protection for our young people now, that's what they'll end up getting. If we allow for discrimination against them, THAT'S what they'll end up getting. Considering the problems that come with prohibition vs the problems that come with clean, organic cannabis smoked in a culture of education and harm reduction, I know I'll be suggesting we err on the side of empowerment and education.

"Jodie, and any moderator, has the right to block offtopic discussion, or to move offtopic discussions, to other forums here."

I can see why people would censor for abusive language, but for everything else I disagree with censorship. There is no "off-topic" - topics travel, as they should. Giving any one group the power to decide what is "relevant" is too much like communism, in my opinion.