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Smart Meter Information Reveals Cannabis Gardens

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Horizon Utilities has developed a software that


combined with the smart meter information


reveals the locations of paying costumers growing cannabis.


We were NOT known to the police and the police had


NOT requested our Hydro information.


Horizon sent the information on their own initiative.  


Without request from Police.


Without a warrant.


 


Horizon said during our trial that they have compiled a list of hundreds of customers in this region but they said that they were waiting for the results of our trial before sending more addresses to the police.


The police said that they were also waiting for the results of our trial.


 


Cannabis growers are easy targets.


 It is now a fact.


 IF YOU GROW - THEY KNOW


www.righttoprivacy.ca


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Sue horizon they cannot release any info without a warrant. This was recently affirmed by the SCC

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It's bad enough that that this invasive technology is being forced on people without the damn companies playing amatuer detetctive/stoolie and handing over private info to the cops for fun and profit.

 

They pulled a fast one on my mom in BC.  I was there about a year and a half ago when the contractors showed up there looking to install a smart meter and they were told by me and my mom in no uncertain terms that she didn't want one.  F'ers came back 6 months later and installed one anyway.

 

BC Hydro's website states that they don't gather info like Horizon does but I think they're full of crap.  When the program first started there it was in the news how they would be able to be used for exactly the same thing Horizon has been doing.

 

The only solution is to find a buddy that can bypass the meter or hack it for you so you can stay out of their clutches.  Then be up for theft of hydro charges on top of everything else if you do get busted.

 

At least in Alberta here with all it's faults they aren't planning on putting those in . . . yet.

 

My disability should be completed in the next month or so and I wil send off a donation to help fight this at the time.

 

Good luck with this.

 

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They have suspended instalation of thses meters here because they keep burning up. These metres are not safe to use and should be discontinued . I do not have one at my house and there will never be one allowed here.

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IF YOU GROW - THEY KNOW

www.righttoprivacy.ca

 

they have compiled a list of hundreds of customers in this region but they said that they were waiting for the results of our trial before sending more addresses to the police.

 

We want to stop this practice/precedent -

 

A civil suit for damages is years away - in the meantime, gardener families are sitting ducks - as soon as we stop fighting - and we won't - but we need help to mount our Appeal. Check out our website at www.righttoprivacy.ca.

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funny you mention smart meters.

these were in the local news (portland oregon) recently. i found the story while yahoo searching what a smart meter looked like.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/pge_replacing_some_electricity.html

PGE replacing 70,000 electricity meters because of fire risk

Portland General Electric is replacing 70,000 residential "smart" meters that run the risk of catching fire, many of them installed at rental properties in East Multnomah County.

PGE says three small meter fires have been reported in its service territory, with minor property damage in one case. It mailed out letters to affected customers this week and aims to have the affected meters replaced by the end of October.

The electrical component failures are limited to a subset of smart meters that it installed between 2010 and 2012. The affected model number is the Sensus 2S Gen3 RD, mostly installed in rental units where PGE needed the ability to turn them on and off remotely. Customers can call PGE at 877-835-1435 or check online at pgemeterexchange.com to check if they have one of the affected meters.

PGE embarked on a major smart meters installation program in 2008, and the other 785,000 meters installed with residences and businesses don't have the same issues, it says.

Bill Nicholson, PGE's Senior Vice President of Customer Service, said PGE first became aware of potential problems in 2013 and hired two separate consultants to evaluate the meters. Its initial testing was inconclusive, but it shared its results with the manufacturer, North Carolina-based Sensus, and asked for help.

"They are not recalling these," Nicholson said. "This is our choice. This is our decision based on our assessment and our tests. We believe this risk is small, but it's totally unacceptable to us."

Nicholson said swapping out all the meters would take three months because PGE and its suppliers don't have adequate replacements in inventory.

Reports of smart meter malfunctions, explosions and fires, meanwhile, have cropped up around the country and the world, including some meters manufactured by Sensus, a leading manufacturer of the technology.

SaskPower, a utility in Saskatchewan, Canada, is in the midst of a province-wide smart meter program using Sensus meters. But it suspended that initiative two weeks ago following six fires tied to meters in the last two months.

PECO Energy in Philadelphia also replaced all its Sensus smart meters in 2012 after several of them overheated and caught fire, two of them resulting in serious house fires, according to the Philadelphia Inquirier.

Sensus was also sued in 2010 in Alabama for false claims by an employee who alleged he was fired after refusing to remain silent about the company's defective meters. The suit alleged that Sensus and two electric utilities sought federal grant funding despite knowing the meters were faulty. The suit was dismissed after the employee settled the case in 2011, according to Law360.

Sensus spokeswoman Linda Palmer did not respond to the Oregonian's query on whether the company felt the meter in question was safe. In an emailed statement, she said it was working with PGE to understand what led to "the issue" and engaging with them on a solution.

"The industry, as a whole, has experienced meter issues for years." she said. "Given that there are more than 40 million meters deployed to date in North America, the failure rates are very low.

"There are approximately 10 million Sensus meters in North America operating safely and reliably. We are evaluating the small number of issues and we remain committed to providing safe products..."

Smart meters are touted as a critical technology to modernize the electrical grid, promote distributed generation and help customers use energy more efficiently.

Ratepayer advocates in Oregon questioned whether smart meter technology was ready for prime time when PGE first proposed spending $135 million of ratepayers money to replace all its meters in 2008. Those reservations had to do with functionality, not safety, however.

PGE had already been down the smart meter path, installing 3,500 earlier in 2001 that it junked in favor of the new models. Besides slashing meter reading costs, PGE said the new meters, with two-way communications, would provide a platform for future programs to better manage electricity demand.

Data from the meters does allow customers to get on line and check yesterday's energy use. But other, more sophisticated demand response programs, with real time date that allows customers to adjust their usage on the fly, have yet to arrive.

PGE says it is working with Sensus on the meter replacements and it's not clear at this point whether ratepayers, as a group, will be asked to cover the capital or installation costs of the replacements.

"What we're focused on right now is the replacement of these meters," Nicholson said. "The commercial issue with these meters will be an ongoing discussion with Sensus we're keeping the (Oregon Public Utility Commission) informed of what we're doing along the way."

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Maybe they do need a warrant. Maybe they don't.  In Ontario at the utility where my relative works they eagerly alert the police to suspected grow ops. No warrant required! They feel it's their civic duty and that every grow op, legal or not, is booby trapped.

 

Arthur.

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The supreme court has just recently ruled oinkers need warrants to obtain this type of info. The utilities cannot hand over your info to anyone without a warrant. The people handing out this info should be aware that they may be the one going to jail for violating your privacy.

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Good point BBC, you're bang on in saying the cops cannot do this without a warrant.  Yet....

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They can only change it with changing our rights but the court was pretty clear on this . There is really no way they can get your info without a warrant..

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The new reality - resulting from the judge's ruling - is that right now, today, they DO NOT need a warrant. We want to change that through the appeal. If the result in our case is left to stand, they know you grow and the utility WILL send your info to the police and they will come to your door and take you to jail. The judge has allowed the utility to expand the definition of "unauthorized use" to what the utility deems as "unathorized use" and this includes, now, having a grow-op. Read the ruling at www.righttoprivacy.ca - we too agree that the Supreme Court has a line of reasoning that police need a warrant - the judge went against the Supreme Court's line of reasoning - and unless someone stands up and challenges the court's new ruling - the police will get the records - unsolicited and without a warrant. If you grow - they know! And you will get a knock on your door. That is the whole point of the Appeal.

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Here is something for the utilities and the cops to think about. If they decide to use this info to bust someone and then find out that he had a permit to grow . The shit will hit the fan and there will be a lawsuit. Right now with the coalition court case coming up the last thing the crown prosecutor wants is something like this happening.

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The cops and utilities are doing plenty of thinking around the smart meter windfall they expect to reap unchallenged. For the cops - another "tool" as the judge said - for the utility - a chance to play agent of the state and collect unchallenged the right to usage of your info for any purpose they deem fit - it need only fall within the category of "saving" energy - or going green - win win for everyone - right?

Thing is, in Ontario - Horizon expanded on the legislation regarding "unauthorized use" - and the judge gave them those new powers. Read the Judgement - http://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2014/2014onsc3096/2014onsc3096.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAkTWFyaWEgRGVsIENhcm1lbiBPcmxhbmRpcy1IYWJzYnVyZ28gAAAAAAE

 

"More families and huts and homes at the ready - all lined up in a row -

Horizon said during the trial that they have compiled a list of hundreds of customers in this region but they said that they were waiting for the results of our trial before sending more addresses to the police. The police said that they were also waiting for the results of our trial. Those people do not know that we are the only thing keeping them free and safe for the last two years." www.righttoprivacy.ca - If You Grow - They Know -

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b) Nature of the Alleged Crime:


[23]               The Applicants contend that the cultivation of marihuana is essentially benign. I disagree.


[24]               Parliament has determined that cultivation is indeed a crime, especially when done for the purposes of trafficking, as is alleged here. Large amounts of money can be involved which can inevitably lead to other forms of criminal activity and violence that are associated with such criminality. This crime very much appears to target our youth and schools. As well, there is overwhelming evidence in this case from various witnesses who investigate these crimes that the hazards associated with illegal indoor marihuana production, particularly in residences, are manifold and obvious. These hazards include damage to property and to the electrical grid, the risk of fire, and danger to occupants, neighbours, law enforcement and employees of electricity distributors such as Horizon.  The risk of fire caused by improperly installed high intensity discharge lighting and the risk of electrical fault and shock hazard caused by the lighting and other electrical equipment are particularly dangerous.  The affidavit of Cst. Coveyduck sheds considerable light on the hazards of marihuana grows operations.  His affidavit and evidence describes ten indoor residential marihuana grow operations investigated by himself and other members of the Hamilton Police Service over the last two years.  Those ten grow operations include examples of fires and electrical hazards. Likewise, the evidence Scott Evenden of the Fire Marshall’s Office was clear as to the fire safety hazards of residential grow operations. The damage to this particular property and what the owner had to do and spend to finally be able to sell it, even at a significant loss, was quite extraordinary.


 


We have a different take on this - of course - softer - gentler - reasonable - such as in a reasonable expectaion of privacy regarding everyone's (now) metadata, aggregated and massaged bought and sold. Worth "billions and billions" the Energy Minister Bentley chimed at breakfast in York region. It is how laws are made in Canada - like most anywhere it seems... 'to retain respect for sausages and laws, one must not watch them in the making.'"


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If you grow in a greenhouse it illiminates thise fire hazards . No matter what a lower court judge says it is still illegal to access this info, the scc has said so . Sask power has been told that they cannot install a smart meter on my property.

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Seems like a case of theory and actual practice being at odds. Kinda like being told workplace injuries are automatically covered by WCB; law says one thing, life says another.

 

As i live in Ontario, i think caution may be the order of the day. Regardless of whether or not you win, being dragged through the courts will cost you in time, stress and money. 

 

My hydro comes through a third party agricultural supplier; they know i legally grow. Similarly, when we did our kitchen reno, we had some extra circuits put in the grow area, getting an ESA inspection sticker in the process.

 

FWIW, the local authorities consider grow ops to be so dangerous as to require an ESA inspector to accompany LEO on busts. My buddy, who is an ESA inspector, believes this a reasonable condition, based on his personal experience. Cloak it in workplace safety and watch 'personal rights' disappear.

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Horizon said during our trial that they have compiled a list of hundreds of customers in this region but they said that they were waiting for the results of our trial before sending more addresses to the police.

The police said that they were also waiting for the results of our trial.

 

Its all about the numbers hundreds of busts will overload the system so it can't be done Its the same even if you don't have a smart meter. All they have to do is look for people using much more power then everyone else. BTW with an estimated number of grows in BC at 100,000 plus Marc has already overgrown the Governments capacity to bust even one tenth of them. Sorry to hear you lost the lottery but I hope the case will be delayed until October next year when the laws change and your lawyers can ask for a complete discharge.

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Sorry to burst you bubbles folks but IF YOU GROW...THEY ALREADY KNOW!

 

Smart meter or not....if you have legal paperwork and are legal, you my friend are on a list and there is not much we can do.

 

Remember how HC abused our rights by mailing out our info for everyone to see?

 

The system does not work like we are told so be aware...someone WILL come a knockin!!!

 

SG

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This happened to me in 2011 after I grew uninterrupted at the same address in Toronto for 12 years. I was only using 55 KWH per day average, but Toronto Hydro could see my 18/6 and 12/12 pattern of use. An "energy advisor" at Toronto Hydro sent an entire year of my smart meter data to the drug squad and they began six weeks of surveillance on my home. Frustrated by lack of visual evidence they went to a JP and added up 3 months of my hydro usage and submitted it as one month. So the search warrant was based on 181 KWH per day instead of the actual 55 KWH per day  I was consuming. Despite this and the fact that my wife suffers from severe rheumatoid arthritis I opted to launch a section 8 Charter challenge, arguing that warrantless smart meter surveillance infringes on my reasonable expectation of privacy. On the eve of the trial the crown withdrew all charges.

 

Since the gov't of Ontario states that the avergae daily use at a residence is approx 30 KWH per day Toronto Hydro was able fend off my subsequent complaint to the privacy commissioner, arguing that 55 KWH per is "dangerous". In my opinion that is ridiculous, lots of larger homes use that or more. 30 KWH is based on all residences, not detatched homes in particular which commonly use more than this. During summer months in Toronto it is not unusual for a home to use 75 KWH per day or more when using central air. Here's a link to a lawyer's blog about my complaint to the IPC:

 

http://michaelpower.ca/2014/02/toronto-hydro-surveillance/

 

In my opinion, the courts and police waited until they had a case where significantly more hydro was being used than in mine before sending it to trial so they could set the precedent they were looking for. So now we have a smart meter surveillance state and big brother says that's just fine an dandy.

 

Here's some pointers for the good cannabis smokers out there to avoid the surveillance state: ( I am not in any way suggesting I am doing this )

 

Run a dehumidifier year round in your basement. Use one that is approx 70 pints per day or 800 watts. It will show a constant hourly consumption rate of .5 - .8 KW depending on humidity. Not suspicious for any residence. This along with daily routines of laundry, tv watching, cooking, etc should total between 25 - 35 KWH per day. Now when you grow I recommend NOT using more than 800 watts ( two 400 watt lamps ). Any experienced grower can yield a pound or more per grow from this. The most important part of this is that accurate timers turn off the dehumidifier at the same time the lamps come on. Set it to occur half way between an hourly reading ( 5:30 instead of 5:00 ) so minimum differences are seen between hours on your usage graph. I know this kind of sucks because it's nice to dehumidfy while while you grow to prevent mold, but since the grow will be of minimal size it shouldn't be that much of an issue. Log in to your hydro account each day and confirm your grow pattern cannot be seen on your bar graphs. Your daily hydro usage should remian the same: approx 25 KWH - 35KWH per day. You may wish to go a step further and only grow in the summer months when central air conditioning makes it difficult for hydro utilities to see usage patterns and  most homes are using more electricity. This will make comparison of usage at other addresses irrelevant. Remember cops and "energy advisors" are sneaky. In my case they used two comparison addresses that were only using 15 KWH per day to make mine seem even more suspicious. Imagine that! Alternatively to this method you could just use ballast flippers, but I don't recommend a constant grow. Do it only when you need your meds.

 

The surveillance state will never win. Long live cannabis and freedom!

 

Here's one more link related to this enormous smart grid rights violation:

 

http://caselaw.canada.globe24h.com/0/0/ontario/ontario-court-of-justice/2010/10/28/r-v-li-2010-oncj-502.shtml

 

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Thanks for sharing your experience.

We have filed the Appeal. Please inform your relations.

 

www.righttoprivacy.ca

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