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MPP Scandal, don't let it tear us apart!!!!


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#1 jsnsoc8

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 12:30 AM

Recently a scandal revolving around sexual misconduct in the MPP has gotten some media attention.

http://www.washingto.../#comment-34051


Now, on the comments, Mark Emery (rightly) defends the MPP as an organization that has done a tremendous amount for the reform movement. He says, and I agree, that this can and will be used as a tool by Pigots and Prohibitionists to tear us apart and slow down all the momentum we have going for us this year. (Post 69 is by Mark).

This is the biggest, most anticipated year EVER for cannabis reform. For the love of marijuana, do NOT allow this scandal to tear us apart, and allow ourselves to bicker over what really happened versus what allegedly happened. All we know for sure is that Kampia violated business ethics in one of the worst ways possible, and we are now as a community facing the repercussions. So please, I urge everyone to stand together, to think of what is best for the overall community first and foremost, and to be civil and respectful with one another if disagreements do arise.

Peace, and happy 2010...hopefully.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 09:19 AM

when I heard this story break, my thoughts were OMG, "people have sex with people they work with, oh no!" LMAO, cannabis has always been considered a potent aphrodisiac through history by numerous cultures, its hardly a scandal at all.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 10:19 AM

It's a scandal because it has to do with sex, and everyone knows the good Christian people of America don't have sex except once they are married and solely to have another baby with no pleasure associated.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 10:27 AM

See all that reefer madness from the 30s was right! Pot crazed Sex maniacs unite!

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 11:52 AM

I hadn't heard of this. Frankly, sex is sex and it's given waaaaayyy too much attention generally. That being said, Kampia's behaviour as illustrated by that write up is deplorable. I'm sorry but that's horribly irresponsible on several levels. The guy has done something incredibly stupid.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 01:17 PM

Bailiff whack his pee-pee!

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 01:47 PM

Sorry but if I were a woman in that environment, I would be exceptionally uncomfortable. The manner in which he conducted himself with female colleagues as asserted in that write up is terrible.

sexual frivolity is awesome if you ask me and conventional hangs up are borderline indications of societal mental illnesses. That however should not and does not translate to some kind of moral justification for some one to treat women in such a degrading fashion. It also is terribly irresponsible to abuse one's position like that and expose the drug policy reform movement to such a degrading discussion of ethics and responsibility among leadership figures within it who have relished the role for what were previously thought to be the best of intentions. Now, I know I can't be so sure.

Again. sex is awesome. Sex with multiple people is also awesome if engaged in responsibly by those who wish to. Good on em. Coming to terms with and embracing your personal sexual preferences and relationship structures (whether that be monogamy, polygamy, polyamoury, etc..) is a huge personal development step for anyone. Treating people like objects to be used for personal gratification is not.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 02:16 PM

From what i've read, it is something that could have been dealt with in house, rather than all this media about it. As creepy as some of those comments were, People should deal with that stuff as it creeps up, not "oh and he did this too" all at once. Sex amongst co-workers is probably the real norm, not the abnormality.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 02:24 PM

I didn't say it was an abnormality but I think Rob Kampia possibly is. Sex among co-workers has been done and will be done and praise be to flying spaghetti monster for that. That however does not excuse the behaviour of Rob Kampia and how he's irresponsibly exposed the reform movement to an awkward and entirely unneeded discussion.

You can only expect this to be dealt with in house if all parties are ready to deal with it responsibly. If you have an idiot thinking with the wrong head in the mix, this public debacle will be the result.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 02:29 PM

As a separate note here though, I should try not to get caught up in assumption. It's worth mentioning that a lot of what is printed isn't verified by fact and it is very possibly a smear piece that has no substance behind it. I sincerely and honestly hope that this is the case!

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 02:48 PM

Well here is the list

1)In 2008, Kampia dated a 19-year-old MPP intern.

who cares

2)“How was the NORML Conference?” a staffer asked Kampia one year. Kampia replied, “I got laid.”

who cares

3)At a staff happy hour, Kampia guessed a female employee’s breast size and told her that she would be “hotter with a boob job.” (Kampia denies the conversation occurred).

This should have been handled by "fuck you, you jerk"

4)Kampia made it known that a female employee’s dress had “made an impression on him.”


who cares

5)Later, he directed her to leave some room in his schedule for “bone-girl,” a woman he was “trying to bone.” He also repeatedly informed her of his intentions to perform a “breast massage” on another woman.

who cares

6)At the conclusion of a staff happy hour last August, Kampia escorted a subordinate back to his home. The woman was so upset by what happened next that she refused to return to work at MPP ever again.

From what I understand the staffer had just broke up with another staffer that same day.

Bad form, but who cares.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 03:31 PM

5) and 6) are the most disturbing, especially if you're a female in that work environment. Working in an environment where vulgar sexual language is used often can be insulting to some people which in and of itself, is an issue of delicate sensibilities more than anything else. Couple that however with dipping your pen in the company ink and it becomes potentially abusive.

Kampia was being stupid by these accounts. I hope something proves the allegations to be grossly inaccurate.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 03:44 PM

who knows what level of talk had gone on, on the other's behalf prior to that. Comments like that seldom come out of nowhere, perhaps there was an expressed level of tolerance to this, its hard to say. I don't know what happened so i am not so quick to judge.

I have liked what I have seen of Kampia the activist, and will focus instead on that aspect of his character.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 03:56 PM

I'm trying not to be judgmental because this publication's article reeks of a very heavily slanted smear piece. If any of this is true, it's grossly irresponsible.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 05:48 AM

when I heard this story break, my thoughts were OMG, "people have sex with people they work with, oh no!" LMAO, cannabis has always been considered a potent aphrodisiac through history by numerous cultures, its hardly a scandal at all.


So, you think its a joke that some guy can force his unwanted sexual advances on women. You have no absolutely no idea do you Chris Bennett.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 07:17 AM

"“Part of the ‘Rob Training’ was to inform me that Rob tells inappropriate jokes, and that he likes to get drunk with staff members and say offensive things,”"
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Everyone, however, was forced to listen to inappropriate sexual comments from Kampia: “I used inappropriate language to nearly everyone on staff,” he says.
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"Kampia denies that he had been waiting for the right moment to pounce on the employee. “I was interested in her for that night,” Kampia says. And at the end of that night, the employee drove away from the bar with Kampia in the passenger’s seat. In the middle of the ride, Kampia asked to take the wheel, worried that his employee was too drunk to drive. Then, he steered her back to his purple Columbia Heights mansion with a rooftop hot tub.
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What happened at Kampia’s home is a matter of competing accounts. But according to Kampia’s version of events—the only one that has been related publicly—the evening concluded with “consensual sex” between himself and the female subordinate."
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"Kampia told Hench that a potential MPP donor had recently had a breast lift, and that he planned to give her a breast massage the next time he saw her. In an e-mail, Hench informed Kampia that she was uncomfortable with the direction of the conversation. “I indicated to Rob that I did NOT want to see personal e-mails to this person because of previous comments he had made about her,” Hench wrote in her complaint. Kampia then sent Hench another e-mail saying, “The breast massage will happen,” and also attempted to raise the topic again in a phone call."

Obviously inappropriate behaviour; she was too drunk to drive, not too drunk to consent? What a guy!

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 08:07 AM

Originally Posted By: chrisbennett
when I heard this story break, my thoughts were OMG, "people have sex with people they work with, oh no!" LMAO, cannabis has always been considered a potent aphrodisiac through history by numerous cultures, its hardly a scandal at all.

So, you think its a joke that some guy can force his unwanted sexual advances on women. You have no absolutely no idea do you Chris Bennett.


Where does it say forced????? Forced sex would be rape. Are you now accussing Rob Kampia of Rape? Whats is the basis of your claim that Kampia forced anybody to have sex with him?

I suppose hiding behind a psuedonym is a safe place to make such an accussation against a real person. I see the reporter did not use that term, as it would be slander if not true.

One thing about Kampia, is his efforts of activism and the effect they have had, are well known. Do you think it is a joke for a inefective and anonymous person to accuse him of rape without any evidence?

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 08:09 AM

If a woman is too drunk to drive safely, is she not also too drunk to consent to sex? And what do we call sex where consent is lacking?

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 08:16 AM

"she was too drunk to drive, not too drunk to consent?"

So who hasn't been drinking and had sex with a drunk person? If she was passed out it would be rape and there would be a criminal case.

"What happened at Kampia’s home is a matter of competing accounts."

Well if you have some information on this?.... otherwise its just conjecture.

I am not defending Kampia's behavior, rather pointing out that those issues should have been dealt with in house as they came up and from what I can see a lot of it has been blown out of proportion like drunk people having sex.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 08:20 AM

If a woman is too drunk to drive safely, is she not also too drunk to consent to sex? And what do we call sex where consent is lacking?


There are no indications that sex was rejected. Are you saying people need to have a breathalyzer test before sex?

If she was passed out drunk, or drunk and said "no" but Rob kept advancing and she was to drunk to do anything about it, that would be rape. Are you saying that Rob kampia raped this girl?

So where are the criminal charges then????

Kampia acted inapropriately in some of the acounts, and we have his own acknowledgement of that, and his expressed commitment to change that behavior. But there has been no talk of criminal charges or rape, saving for those from anonymous people who don't seem to have any inside information on the events or people involved.

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