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#1 biskit

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:38 AM

Hey guys,

Im hoping that someone here can help me. For the past 6 years my wife has suffered from chronic pain due to a growth on a bone in her shoulder. She has been sent from specialist to specialist, had xray after scan after test, but no doctor has been able to offer her any real assistance besides prescribing her huge doses of codine, adavan and other nasty anti-inflammatory drugs and painkillers. She also has weekly chiropractic appointments, massage therapy etc to retain the limited mobility that she has in her shoulder in an attempt to assist the muscles that have been damaged by her condition.

After literally years of suffering, she has recently discovered that vaporizing a bowl of marijuana before she goes to bed in the evening provides a far superior painkilling effect that her entire collection of prescription medication. She was highly doubtful at first, however the first time she tried it I witnessed her sleep through the night without waking in pain for the first time since meeting her. In addition, she does not get any of the negative effects of the prescription medication (ranging from constipation to lethargy, kidney/liver damage from continual use of these drugs, and the fact that the pain killers dont even entirely relieve her pain!). When she wakes in the morning the swelling in her shoulder is noticeably reduced. With cannabis she almost completely removes her need for prescription pills.

She is a working professional with a degree in criminology, yet she has been turned away by several doctors after requesting endorsement for a medicinal marijuana permit, despite the doctors agreeing that it could possibly help. She has been advised that the Canadian Medical Association has instructed doctors not to endorse medicinal marijuana.

We are both growing extremely frustrated at hitting these brick walls. As a person with a criminology background, my wife does not wish to be committing illegal activity or associating with drug dealers, especially in a country that supposedly has exemptions for medical use.

So my question to you is, where can I find a doctor in the Vancouver (604) area that is supportive of medicinal marijuana? Can anybody either recommend a doctor or advise me on where I might be able to find out which doctors are supportive of medicinal marijuana?

There are plenty of compassion clubs in Vancouver and Vancouver Island that are licensed to supply marijuana to licensed medical patients, yet we cant seem to find a single doctor that is willing to help us.

Any advice is appreciated!!

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 05:49 PM

Try the Green Cross Society.

They have there own Doctor on staff for just the reason you said "It's imposible to find a Cannabis friendly Doctor".

Here's a link:

www.greencrossofbc.org

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#3 W/O Reason

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 07:02 AM

Every time I hear crap like this, I just start fuming!!!

Yes, there are a small handful of doctors that are "cannabis friendly". The REAL point here is that they DON'T HAVE TO BE FRIENDLY TO CANNABIS OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU DECIDE TO MEDICATE WITH!!!!!

It doesn't matter WHAT you doctors personal or professional feelings toward cannabis are. He/She is not signing to indicate their approval of the substance. They are simply confirming that you have a certain ailment, and that YOU have decided that you will be using Cannabis as your medication. PERIOD.

Once the doctor is made aware of this fact, there should be absolutely no reason they would not sign the papers.

Try the Green Cross Society.

They have there own Doctor on staff for just the reason you said "It's imposible to find a Cannabis friendly Doctor".

Here's a link:

www.greencrossofbc.org

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No, Buddha. That is NOT a viable route for them. As indicated by their post, she is wanting LEGAL access to Cannabis. Having The Green Cross' doc sign their papers will do nothing for them. All their doctor will do is sign the Green Cross membership papers, not the Health Canada papers. It will give them access to another illegal product just from a different source.




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Posted 30 June 2009 - 10:45 AM

"Once the doctor is made aware of this fact, there should be absolutely no reason they would not sign the papers."

They might not want to. They might have their own opinions about the efficacy of marihuana for the particular condition. A doctor is no more compelled to sign MMAR forms than he would be compelled to sign a prescription for ritalin, demerol, etc.

"They are simply confirming that you have a certain ailment, and that YOU have decided that you will be using Cannabis as your medication. PERIOD."

Not quite.

1. a. The applicant’s symptom(s) listed in Page 1 of this form falls under Category 2 (symptoms that do not fall under
Category 1);
b. conventional treatment(s) for the Category 2 symptom(s) have been tried or considered, and have been found to be
ineffective or medically inappropriate for the treatment of the applicant.

and

3 b. if you are not a medical specialist, please declare:
i. that the applicant’s case has been assessed by a specialist;
ii. the specialist’s area of specialization is relevant to the treatment of the applicant’s medical condition;
iii. that the specialist concurs that conventional treatments for the symptom are ineffective or medically
inappropriate for the treatment of the applicant; and
iv. the specialist is aware that marihuana is being considered as an alternative treatment for the applicant."

The doctor is not merely witnessing the declaration of the patient and certifying the correctness of his birthdate; the doctor in that form makes his own declaration, which means it must be voluntary and therefore could not be something which a doctor is compelled to do.

Further, as stated previously, the MMAR are in large part a way of collecting implicit consent to the CDSA, so, really, it's a bad trip, unless of course one cares more about one's own "safety" than giving sanction to bad statute by applying under a Regulation annexed thereto.

A little liberty for temporary safety, &c &c.

"As a person with a criminology background, my wife does not wish to be committing illegal activity or associating with drug dealers, especially in a country that supposedly has exemptions for medical use."

"illegal activity"?
"associating with drug dealers"?

It's awfully nice that your wife is able to accept that marihuana is OK for her but not for others. Perhaps her inconsistent attitude is the reason she is not getting what she wants, to be all new-agey about it?

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted By: W/O Reason
"Once the doctor is made aware of this fact, there should be absolutely no reason they would not sign the papers."

They might not want to. They might have their own opinions about the efficacy of marihuana for the particular condition. A doctor is no more compelled to sign MMAR forms than he would be compelled to sign a prescription for ritalin, demerol, etc.

The thing is... They are not signing a prescription. They are signing a governmental form that declares that you (the patient) has decided to use Cannabis as your medicine.

I did not say the doctors can be compelled to sign the forms. What I did say was that once they are aware that it is NOT A PRESCRIPTION, but simply a way to participate in a government program, most doctors (I must admit, I have not talked to all doctors smile ) are fine with signing said forms.

Originally Posted By: Jack A. Roe
Originally Posted By: W/O Reason
"They are simply confirming that you have a certain ailment, and that YOU have decided that you will be using Cannabis as your medication. PERIOD."
Not quite.

1. a. The applicant’s symptom(s) listed in Page 1 of this form falls under Category 2 (symptoms that do not fall under
Category 1);
b. conventional treatment(s) for the Category 2 symptom(s) have been tried or considered, and have been found to be
ineffective or medically inappropriate for the treatment of the applicant.


and

3 b. if you are not a medical specialist, please declare:
i. that the applicant’s case has been assessed by a specialist;
ii. the specialist’s area of specialization is relevant to the treatment of the applicant’s medical condition;
iii. that the specialist concurs that conventional treatments for the symptom are ineffective or medically
inappropriate for the treatment of the applicant; and
iv. the specialist is aware that marihuana is being considered as an alternative treatment for the applicant."

The doctor is not merely witnessing the declaration of the patient and certifying the correctness of his birthdate; the doctor in that form makes his own declaration, which means it must be voluntary and therefore could not be something which a doctor is compelled to do.

As with ALL of your medical decisions, the final word goes to the patient. The doctors can "recommend" a certain course of action, but ultimately it is the patient that either agrees or disagrees.

The key words you seem to be missing are "tried or considered". I personally have tried only a few of the Rx available to me for my conditions. I have considered them all, and have decided I would MUCH rather medicate with the most benign substance on the planet: Cannabis. With that decision made, I informed my GP, and all my specialists of that decision.

Look at that. I don't even know what a "Cannabis friendly" doctor looks like, yet I managed to get all the "i's" dotted and "t's" crossed on the forms and now hold my exemption. Go figger'

Originally Posted By: Jack A. Roe
Further, as stated previously, the MMAR are in large part a way of collecting implicit consent to the CDSA, so, really, it's a bad trip, unless of course one cares more about one's own "safety" than giving sanction to bad statute by applying under a Regulation annexed thereto.

A little liberty for temporary safety, &c &c.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that you yourself participated in this very program.... Have a change of heart?

Is the MMAR program faulty and need to be dismantled, absolutely. I will continue to fight to repeal prohibition, and restore ALL our rights to use this plant.

Will I continue to participate in this program to KEEP MYSELF OUT OF JAIL UNTIL THAT TIME? F*CK YES!



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Posted 01 July 2009 - 01:19 AM

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that you yourself participated in this very program.... Have a change of heart?


Participated is correct, that is, past perfect, all done. The regs, imo, are unconscionable, especially when one considers that their major effect is to save the general prohibition, that is, the denial of the right of peaceful possession of vegetables. In my view it is not in "good faith" to offer a medical program in order to maintain a criminal prohibition.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 08:42 PM

I am having problems with my Doctor too, I am out of work so I don't have a drug plan, but I do know someone who is willing to provide a space, power, and to help out with funding to grow for myself.

My doctor keeps saying she will provide me with free samples of pharma's when she gets them in, I am currently using large amounts of OTC paracetamols (well, I was until that recent FDA announcement). I told her that I would rather not take the samples since other people might need them, and most drugs shouldn't be suddenly stopped like what would happen when I run out of samples. Strangely, while talking about the MMAR, she mentioned her husband is a crown prosecutor, so I am wondering if she has a bias because of that, or is afraid of her or her husbands reputation.

I am going to see her one more time and if she says no, I will have to go find another Doctor. Hopefully when I tell her about the FDA thing, and about how the MMAR isn't a prescription, but an application into a government program she will change her stubborn ways!

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 08:57 PM

"It's awfully nice that your wife is able to accept that marihuana is OK for her but not for others. Perhaps her inconsistent attitude is the reason she is not getting what she wants, to be all new-agey about it?"

My response: You pompous idiot. My wife and I have ALWAYS been pro legalization. You clearly missed the point of what I was saying, but thank you for playing.

Everybody else: Thanks for your replies.

Buddha: That green cross link looks interesting. They seem to indicate on the site that they have a doctor on staff, does this mean that they will support the legal application for a Canadian Permit to possess Medical Marijuana? Or, is it just their own "documents" that really mean nothing?

Thanks again guys.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 08:59 PM

So far as I remember, there was an issue regarding whether or not the good doctor with the Green Cross was actually accredited? Some one correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember reading something on here about that.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 10:30 PM

"My response: You pompous idiot. My wife and I have ALWAYS been pro legalization. You clearly missed the point of what I was saying, but thank you for playing."

That's great. Perhaps she should get over her basketweaving degree-related hangups visavis so-called "illegal activities" and so-called "drug dealers"?

Like, consider the gestalt...

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 04:37 AM

National Tay-Sachs & Allied Diseases Association, Inc (NTSAD) and Brigham & Women’s Hospital are pleased to offer a CME Conference, Diagnosis, Management & Treatment of Progressive Neurological Disease.Help!!! I need to find a doctor that knows something about OPLL within the US. Has anyone been diagnosed with OPLL and have you found a doctor that knows about the rare spine disease in the west part ..

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 11:42 AM

www.donoharmclinic.com

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